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Great Lakes Binational Toxics Strategy

Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCB) Workgroup

May 16, 2000
Toronto Meeting Minutes 

Below are minutes of the PCB Workgroup meeting of May 16, 2000. The minutes are organized per topic. Follow-up action items identified during the meeting are summarized under the Path Forward heading.

Progress since November 18, 1999 Workgroup Meeting
Progress since the PCB Workgroup meeting of November 18, 1999, was reviewed. A summary of the workgroup's progress is included in the PCB Workgroup - Progress Report of May 2000. The report was made available for attendees and will be posted on the Strategy's web site.

PCB Reduction Commitments
The workgroup leaders reviewed the successes of the PCB reduction commitment letters mailed to companies and associations to date (see Progress Report). The workgroup will continue to use the PCB reduction commitment letters, through Environment Canada and the U.S. EPA, to seek commitments to reduce PCBs, targeting specific companies, primarily major owners of PCB transformers and capacitors, and associations, such as CGLI. One member commented that the focus of the workgroup should continue to be the current use of PCBs, since they are a problem as long as they are in use. This reiterated the majority position of the workgroup from the April 27, 1999, PCB Workgroup meeting in Toronto.

Case Study Report
As a specific example of a PCB reduction topic which should be included in the case study report, energy efficiency was mentioned as one benefit of removing PCB containing equipment and replacing them with newer non-PCB equipment. One member had data to show new equipment is more energy efficient. Another member commented that energy efficiency may not be a payback for all companies. The workgroup will continue to develop a case study report, reporting what various companies use as reasons to remove PCBs, which may serve as incentives. There will be an acknowledgment in the report that the cited cases may not be applicable to all companies. In addition, the workgroup should consider how ISO 14,000 certification applies to management of PCBs or PCB phaseouts and should identify more incentives for reducing PCBs. Workgroup members that have specific ideas on incentives should send them to the workgroup leaders.

Outreach and Communication 
Members commented that there is still a need to conduct outreach on environmental issues to owners of PCBs. This was reiterated by a comment that the real issue in meeting the PCB reduction challenge is education to small to medium sized businesses since they still may not know they may have PCBs. The workgroup, however, should also outreach to major owners. At this time, the major outreach efforts are the PCB reduction commitment letters, mentioned above. In addition, the workgroup leaders are working on collecting photos of electrical equipment to help potential owners identify the equipment they have.

Additional Sources of PCBs 
Several workgroup members stated that the workgroup should also pursue reduction of PCBs from other sources, such as landfills, soils, sediments, incineration, and sewage treatment facilities. Prior to identifying specific follow-up actions to address these sources, the workgroup should try to gather supporting information on releases of PCBs from landfills, contaminated soils (possibly available in RAPs), and sewage treatment systems. Major comments concerning some of these sources of PCBs are noted below.

Landfills: The workgroup discussed the concerns about releases of PCBs from landfills and the possibility of elevating the issue of continuing to allow PCBs to be landfilled to the Integration Group formed under the Strategy. Before the workgroup elevates this issue, more specific information on releases of PCBs from landfills should be collected and reviewed by workgroup members. Specific comments concerning releases from landfills are noted below. 

Sediments/Incineration: It was suggested that the workgroup pursue a workshop on alternative destruction technologies as one way to focus discussions on the safe management of PCB contaminated sediments and alternatives to incineration. It was mentioned that discussions on a workshop may be held by the Integration Group.

Canadian Environmental Protection Act 
Several members commented on the plans for amending the Canadian Environmental Protection Act. Some commented that phaseout requirements should be included in the new rule (as is being considered) and that the regulations should include consistent standards for disposal or fugitive emissions. However, standards at disposal sites are considered a Provincial matter, not necessarily intended to be included in the amendments, and permitting may be centralized. As part of the rulemaking process, everyone will have an opportunity to comment on the amendments when proposed and available for public comment. The workgroup leaders will inform the workgroup when the proposed amendments are published and of the comment period.

PCB Concentrations Near PCB Storage, Disposal and Cleanup Sites 
William J. Mills, from the University of Illinois, School of Public Health, gave a presentation on the evaluation of PCB emissions from storage facilities. This presentation was a follow-up to questions raised during previous meetings on the workgroup's focus on PCB equipment.

Three main conclusions of the study and presentation were: 

The presentation and conclusions were based on a case study involving the Smithville CWML Site in Canada, an inactive PCB equipment, transfer and storage site. The site had diverse PCB wastes, including soil and other miscellaneous solid wastes, transformers and other miscellaneous equipment, uncontained PCB liquids, lab wastes, and drums of wastes. The Ontario Government took over the cleanup. A mobile incinerator was constructed at the site to destroy the PCB wastes. The destruction began in February 1991 and was completed in December 1992. In addition to the incinerator, a containment building was constructed on site to store PCB wastes, such as drums and equipment.

Extensive environmental monitoring for PCBs was conducted over this period, including samples of: 

Results of the data showed: 

Suggestions for future PCB operations, based on the Smithville study are: 

In terms of prioritizing for destruction the suggested order is: 

  1. Askarel and other liquids with high concentration (i.e. > 10,000 ppm) PCBs, this would include capacitors, and ballasts, etc., for electrical equipment, and hydraulic fluids, etc. 
  2. PCB contaminated mineral oils in electrical equipment and other lower level PCB contaminated liquids 
  3. High concentration PCB contaminated soils and sediments 
  4. Lower concentration PCB contaminated soils and sediments This prioritization is based on the observations at Smithville that the highest ambient air concentrations occurred during the time periods when the Askarel liquids were still on site. Once the Askarel liquids had been destroyed the ambient air concentrations were significantly lower even though there were still over 4000 tonnes of PCB contaminated soil that were treated over the next year or so.

Financial Implications of On-Site PCB Management 
George Boire, Senior Manager at Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), gave a presentation on a lender's perspective of managing on-site toxics, including PCBs. In addition to considering financial information and management capabilities for loans, credits, or other investments, financial institutions look at environment risks as part of their overall due diligence. PCBs and other toxic substances are typically discussed in environmental site assessments, transactions, or compliance audits. Specifically, lenders are concerned about direct liability risk and credit risk. Under certain conditions, if a lender is perceived to have exercised care management or control of a borrower's facility, they can potentially be named as a responsible party and be liable for cleaning up a contaminated property. Credit risks include a borrowers possession (current or past) of contaminated assets, their liability for disposal costs, how regulatory orders effect their operations, and how environmental issues may impact their cash flow. Although environmental risks rarely are the sole reason for declining a loan or investment, poor environmental management may be a symptom of poor overall management and can be the main source of liability. The workgroup will consider outreach to banks since they are interested in regulations and it is important for them to consider risks of PCBs. In addition, the workgroup leaders will get and distribute information on the incentive program for removing ballasts that was mentioned during the presentation.

Path-Forward 
Below is a summary of the follow-up actions that were identified during the meeting.

PCB reductions 

Case study report 

Outreach 

Additional sources 

Canadian Environmental Protection Act 

PCB Concentrations Near PCB Storage, Disposal and Cleanup Sites 

Financial Implications of On-Site PCB Management 


Attendees

Name

Organization/Email

Phone

Bagher Bahavar University of Toronto (416) 978-1749
John Bennett Bennett Environmental, Inc. (604) 681-8828
Douglas Bley Bethlehem Steel
dbley@bsco.com 
(219) 787-4962
George Boire Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce
boire@cibc.ca 
(416) 980-4626
Peter Boyer IJC
boyerp@windsor.ijc.org 
(519) 257-6713
John Hall Ontario Power Generation
j.a.hall@ontariopowergeneration.com  
(416) 592-6999
Keith Hanson Minnesota Power
khanson@mnpower.com 
(218) 722-5412
Martin Hassenbach PCB Containment Tech.
pcbsales@contech.com 
(519) 651-3004
Paul Hebert Trans-Cycle Industries, Inc.
paul.hebert@attcanada.net 
(450) 458-1903
Chaitanya Kalevar Just 1 World
just1world@idirect.com 
(416) 657-8421
George Kuper Council of Great Lakes Industries
ghk@cgli.org 
(734) 663-1944
Qin Tao Liu University of Toronto
qintao.liu@utoronto.ca 
(416) 978-1749
Tony Martig U.S. EPA Region 5
martig.anton@epa.gov
 
(312) 353-2291
Kevin McManamon Safety-Kleen (PPM) Inc. 
KMCMANAMON@SAFETY-KLEEN.COM
 
(330) 425-3825
Octavio Melo O.T. Melo & Associates 
o.t.melo@home.com 
(416) 621-8610
William Mills University of Illinois at Chicago 
School of Public Health 
wmills1@icarus.uic.edu 
(312) 996-2094
Mehran Monabbati SENES Consultants, Ltd. 
mehran@senes.on.ca 
(905) 764-9380
Bill Preece Contrans - Canada 
bpreece@contrans.ca 
(905) 664-8508
Steven Radcliffe Ontario Ministry of the Environment 
radclist@ene.gov.on.ca 
(416) 314-4170
Neil Ryan Bovar Waste Management 
neil_ryan@bovar.com 
(416) 493-5760
Hamish St. Rose Environment Canada 
hamish.st.rose@ec.gc.ca 
(416) 739-5865
Larry Talbot Environment Canada - Contractor 
talbotla@pathcom.com 
(416) 694-7211
Margaret Wooster Great Lakes United 
wooster@glu.org
 
(716) 886-0142

 


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