Brent F 08/01/2006 01:45 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Error reads as follows ******************************************************************************** **** * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 * * * * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 and is * * therefore considered high. * * * * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account for it. * * * * Relevant data are: * * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 * * * * RCHRES : 29 * * * * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF * * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 * * * * Where: * * * * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). * * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. * * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). * * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit (land-segment or * * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. * * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the present * * printout reporting period. * * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present printout * * reporting period. * * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu during the * * present printout reporting period. * * * ******************************************************************************** **** The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach in my simulation. I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brent F ------------------------------------------------------------ Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com 08/01/2006 01:53 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Brent, When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional sections? e.g. HTRCH? Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water balance errors. Tom Jobes CH2M-Hill 115 Perimeter Center Place NE Suite 700 Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com v: 770-604-9182 x629 c: 404-432-3200 f: 770-604-9183 From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Error reads as follows ******************************************************************************** **** * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 * * * * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 and is * * therefore considered high. * * * * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account for it. * * * * Relevant data are: * * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 * * * * RCHRES : 29 * * * * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF * * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 * * * * Where: * * * * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). * * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. * * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). * * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit (land-segment or * * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. * * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the present * * printout reporting period. * * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present printout * * reporting period. * * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu during the * * present printout reporting period. * * * ******************************************************************************** **** The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach in my simulation. I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brent F ------------------------------------------ Brent F 08/01/2006 02:15 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Ah yes I forgot to mention I did turn on HTRCH and the modules necessary for the NUTRX simulation. So when I turn those off and re-run I don't generate any errors. So...I guess I'll work through the modules one at a time to isolate which is tripping the error and post back then. Thanks Brent On 8/1/06, Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com wrote: Brent, When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional sections? e.g. HTRCH? Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water balance errors. Tom Jobes CH2M-Hill 115 Perimeter Center Place NE Suite 700 Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com v: 770-604-9182 x629 c: 404-432-3200 f: 770-604-9183 From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Error reads as follows ******************************************************************************** **** * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 * * * * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 and is * * therefore considered high. * * * * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account for it. * * * * Relevant data are: * * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 * * * * RCHRES : 29 * * * * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF * * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 * * * * Where: * * * * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). * * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. * * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). * * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit (land-segment or * * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. * * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the present * * printout reporting period. * * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present printout * * reporting period. * * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu during the * * present printout reporting period. * * * ******************************************************************************** **** The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach in my simulation. I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brent F ------------------------------------------ "Lowers, Jaclyn " 08/01/2006 03:06 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Tom Jobes, I recieved this reply for Brent, but it is not about the problem I'm having. I reclassified the USGS land classification for a watershed and tried to run the data through PLOAD. 7 of the 33 subsheds came back with different values in the second Acres field that BASINS generates. I'm not sure how the Acres field is generated, and it is causing the AR_TN value for those 7 subsheds to also be incorrect. I've looked for irregularities in those 7 data sets and haven't found any. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks, Jackie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:53:50 -0600 >Brent, > >When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional >sections? e.g. HTRCH? > >Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large >negative numbers. The inputs >need to be pre-filled, and the model doesn't always doublecheck, so >sometimes such values can >cause water balance errors. > >Tom Jobes >CH2M-Hill >115 Perimeter Center Place NE >Suite 700 >Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 >Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com >v: 770-604-9182 x629 >c: 404-432-3200 >f: 770-604-9183 > > >________________________________ > >From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Private list for BASINS users >Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 > > >Error reads as follows > > >************************************************************************ >************ > * >* > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 >* > * >* > * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 >and is * > * therefore considered high. >* > * >* > * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account >for it. * > * >* > * Relevant data are: >* > * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 >* > * >* > * RCHRES : 29 >* > * >* > * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF >* > * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 >* > * >* > * Where: >* > * >* > * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). >* > * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. >* > * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). >* > * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit >(land-segment or * > * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. >* > * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the >present * > * printout reporting period. >* > * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present >printout * > * reporting period. >* > * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu >during the * > * present printout reporting period. >* > * >* > >************************************************************************ >************ > > >The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non >consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach in >my simulation. > >I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I also >see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most recent >change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. >I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added Cloud, >Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Brent F ------------------------------------------ Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com 08/01/2006 03:16 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Jaclyn, I'm afraid I don't have as much experience using PLOAD through the BASINS interface - I'll have to defer to others with more. Tom Jobes CH2M-Hill 115 Perimeter Center Place NE Suite 700 Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com v: 770-604-9182 x629 c: 404-432-3200 f: 770-604-9183 -----Original Message----- From: Lowers, Jaclyn [mailto:jlowers14@apmail.apsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:07 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Tom Jobes, I recieved this reply for Brent, but it is not about the problem I'm having. I reclassified the USGS land classification for a watershed and tried to run the data through PLOAD. 7 of the 33 subsheds came back with different values in the second Acres field that BASINS generates. I'm not sure how the Acres field is generated, and it is causing the AR_TN value for those 7 subsheds to also be incorrect. I've looked for irregularities in those 7 data sets and haven't found any. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks, Jackie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:53:50 -0600 >Brent, > >When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional >sections? e.g. HTRCH? > >Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large >negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model >doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water >balance errors. > >Tom Jobes >CH2M-Hill >115 Perimeter Center Place NE >Suite 700 >Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 >Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com >v: 770-604-9182 x629 >c: 404-432-3200 >f: 770-604-9183 > > >________________________________ > >From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Private list for BASINS users >Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 > > >Error reads as follows > > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > * >* > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 >* > * >* > * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 >and is * > * therefore considered high. >* > * >* > * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account >for it. * > * >* > * Relevant data are: >* > * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 >* > * >* > * RCHRES : 29 >* > * >* > * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF >* > * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 >* > * >* > * Where: >* > * >* > * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). >* > * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. >* > * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). >* > * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit >(land-segment or * > * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. >* > * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the >present * > * printout reporting period. >* > * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present >printout * > * reporting period. >* > * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu >during the * > * present printout reporting period. >* > * >* > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > > >The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non >consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach >in my simulation. > >I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I >also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most >recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. >I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added >Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Brent F ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Austin Peay State University ------------------------------------------ Brent F 08/02/2006 11:46 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Alright, I've isolated the issue to the HTRCH module. UCI looks like this HEAT-PARM *** RCHRES ELEV ELDAT CFSAEX KATRAD KCOND KEVAP *** x - x (ft) (ft) 1 73 1573 -300 1 9.5 6.12 2.24 END HEAT-PARM HT-BED-PARM *** Bed Heat Conduction Parameters for Single and Two-layer Methods *** RCHRES MUDDEP TGRND KMUD KGRND *** x - x (ft) (deg F) (kcal/m2/C/hr) 1 73 0.33 59. 50. 1.4 END HT-BED-PARM HEAT-INIT *** RCHRES TW AIRTMP *** x - x (deg F) (deg F) 1 73 45. 48. END HEAT-INIT Any ideas/comments? Brent ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: < Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com> Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:53:50 -0600 >Brent, > >When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional >sections? e.g. HTRCH? > >Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large >negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model >doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water >balance errors. > >Tom Jobes >CH2M-Hill >115 Perimeter Center Place NE >Suite 700 >Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 >Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com >v: 770-604-9182 x629 >c: 404-432-3200 >f: 770-604-9183 > > >________________________________ > >From: Brent F [mailto: frounfelker@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Private list for BASINS users >Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 > > >Error reads as follows > > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > * >* > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 >* > * >* > * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 >and is * > * therefore considered high. >* > * >* > * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account >for it. * > * >* > * Relevant data are: >* > * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 >* > * >* > * RCHRES : 29 >* > * >* > * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF >* > * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 >* > * >* > * Where: >* > * >* > * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). >* > * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. >* > * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). >* > * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit >(land-segment or * > * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. >* > * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the >present * > * printout reporting period. >* > * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present >printout * > * reporting period. >* > * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu >during the * > * present printout reporting period. >* > * >* > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > > >The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non >consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach >in my simulation. > >I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I >also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most >recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. >I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added >Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Brent F ------------------------------------------ Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com 08/02/2006 02:10 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Brent, The parameters look okay. Try checking the input timeseries for missing values (e.g. large negative numbers) - sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. Also make sure that all of your RCHRES ID numbers are in the appropriate range (1-73 for your parameter tables) and that the EXT SOURCES block correctly connects the timeseries data to every active reach. Tom Jobes CH2M-Hill 115 Perimeter Center Place NE Suite 700 Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com v: 770-604-9182 x629 c: 404-432-3200 f: 770-604-9183 From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:47 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Alright, I've isolated the issue to the HTRCH module. UCI looks like this HEAT-PARM *** RCHRES ELEV ELDAT CFSAEX KATRAD KCOND KEVAP *** x - x (ft) (ft) 1 73 1573 -300 1 9.5 6.12 2.24 END HEAT-PARM HT-BED-PARM *** Bed Heat Conduction Parameters for Single and Two-layer Methods *** RCHRES MUDDEP TGRND KMUD KGRND *** x - x (ft) (deg F) (kcal/m2/C/hr) 1 73 0.33 59. 50. 1.4 END HT-BED-PARM HEAT-INIT *** RCHRES TW AIRTMP *** x - x (deg F) (deg F) 1 73 45. 48. END HEAT-INIT Any ideas/comments? Brent ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: < Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com> Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:53:50 -0600 >Brent, > >When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional >sections? e.g. HTRCH? > >Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large >negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model >doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water >balance errors. > >Tom Jobes >CH2M-Hill >115 Perimeter Center Place NE >Suite 700 >Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 >Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com >v: 770-604-9182 x629 >c: 404-432-3200 >f: 770-604-9183 > > >________________________________ > >From: Brent F [mailto: frounfelker@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Private list for BASINS users >Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 > > >Error reads as follows > > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > * >* > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 >* > * >* > * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 >and is * > * therefore considered high. >* > * >* > * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account >for it. * > * >* > * Relevant data are: >* > * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 >* > * >* > * RCHRES : 29 >* > * >* > * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF >* > * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 >* > * >* > * Where: >* > * >* > * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). >* > * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. >* > * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). >* > * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit >(land-segment or * > * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. >* > * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the >present * > * printout reporting period. >* > * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present >printout * > * reporting period. >* > * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu >during the * > * present printout reporting period. >* > * >* > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > > >The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non >consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach >in my simulation. > >I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I >also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most >recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. >I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added >Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Brent F ------------------------------------------ Troy_Naperala@URSCorp.com 08/02/2006 02:41 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Brent: In addition to checking for missing values in the input WDM series as Tom suggested, I'd also check your multiplication values and linkages in the external source block. Inputting values for the HTRCH section can be complex. Feel free to E-mail me your UCI file and I will take a look at it. Troy R. Naperala, P.E. Senior Project Engineer URS Corporation Great Lakes, Inc. Architects, Engineers, Planners, Scientists 10850 Traverse Highway, Suite 2205 Traverse City, Michigan 49686 E-mail: Troy_Naperala@urscorp.com (D) (231) 932-7592 ext. 223 (M) (231) 620-7082 (F) (231) 932-7594 Farmington Hills, Detroit, Traverse City This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you receive this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should not retain, distribute, disclose or use any of this information and you should destroy the e-mail and any attachments or copies. To 08/02/2006 03:10 "Private list for BASINS users" PM cc Please respond to Subject "Private list for RE: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 BASINS users" 1 Brent, The parameters look okay. Try checking the input timeseries for missing values (e.g. large negative numbers) - sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. Also make sure that all of your RCHRES ID numbers are in the appropriate range (1-73 for your parameter tables) and that the EXT SOURCES block correctly connects the timeseries data to every active reach. Tom Jobes CH2M-Hill 115 Perimeter Center Place NE Suite 700 Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com v: 770-604-9182 x629 c: 404-432-3200 f: 770-604-9183 From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:47 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Alright, I've isolated the issue to the HTRCH module. UCI looks like this HEAT-PARM *** RCHRES ELEV ELDAT CFSAEX KATRAD KCOND KEVAP *** x - x (ft) (ft) 1 73 1573 -300 1 9.5 6.12 2.24 END HEAT-PARM HT-BED-PARM *** Bed Heat Conduction Parameters for Single and Two-layer Methods *** RCHRES MUDDEP TGRND KMUD KGRND *** x - x (ft) (deg F) (kcal/m2/C/hr) 1 73 0.33 59. 50. 1.4 END HT-BED-PARM HEAT-INIT *** RCHRES TW AIRTMP *** x - x (deg F) (deg F) 1 73 45. 48. END HEAT-INIT Any ideas/comments? Brent ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: < Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com> Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:53:50 -0600 >Brent, > >When you added the other met data, did you turn on any additional >sections? e.g. HTRCH? > >Either way, check the data for missing value codes, such as large >negative numbers. The inputs need to be pre-filled, and the model >doesn't always doublecheck, so sometimes such values can cause water >balance errors. > >Tom Jobes >CH2M-Hill >115 Perimeter Center Place NE >Suite 700 >Atlanta, GA 30346-1278 >Tom.Jobes@ch2m.com >v: 770-604-9182 x629 >c: 404-432-3200 >f: 770-604-9183 > > >________________________________ > >From: Brent F [mailto: frounfelker@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Private list for BASINS users >Subject: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 > > >Error reads as follows > > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > * >* > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 238 1 >* > * >* > * The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 >and is * > * therefore considered high. >* > * >* > * Did you specify any "special actions"? If so, they could account >for it. * > * >* > * Relevant data are: >* > * DATE/TIME: 2002/ 3/31 24: 0 >* > * >* > * RCHRES : 29 >* > * >* > * RELERR STORS STOR MATIN MATDIF >* > * -6.866E-03 4979.6 6.5169E+04 0.00000 6.0224E+04 >* > * >* > * Where: >* > * >* > * RELERR is the relative error (ERROR/REFVAL). >* > * ERROR is (STOR-STORS) - MATDIF. >* > * REFVAL is the reference value (STORS+MATIN). >* > * STOR is the storage of material in the processing unit >(land-segment or * > * reach/reservior) at the end of the present interval. >* > * STORS is the storage of material in the pu at the start of the >present * > * printout reporting period. >* > * MATIN is the total inflow of material to the pu during the present >printout * > * reporting period. >* > * MATDIF is the net inflow (inflow-outflow) of material to the pu >during the * > * present printout reporting period. >* > * >* > >*********************************************************************** >* >************ > > >The strange part is that the error is constrained to two particular non >consecutive dates. Also this error seems to be present in every reach >in my simulation. > >I have no special actions as it suggests those may be the cause. I >also see nothing in the WDM file that is an obvious cause. My most >recent change (and seemingly the trigger) was to add new time series to my WDM. >I was running successfully with only Precip and PEVT. I've added >Cloud, Solar, wind, air temp, and dew temp. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Brent F ---------------------------------------------------- Joseph A Hevesi 08/02/2006 03:01 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] Warning/Error 238 1 Hi Brent, I am also encountering error/warning code 238 1 for a simple bacteria transport model. I have concluded that the error occurs when RCHRES segments are dry or nearly dry (this happens often in the watershed I'm studying). I do not get the error when I turn the transport modules off. Joe Hevesi Hydrologist U.S. Geological Survey Placer Hall, 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6129 (916)-278-3274 (916)-278-3225 (fax) jhevesi@usgs.gov -------------------------------------------------- "Twenter, Justin" 08/03/2006 01:42 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] WDMUtil data analysis -- question for extracting annual maximum values History: This message has been replied to. Hi all I've been running HSPF simulations and sending daily output to a WDM file. I'm using WDMUtil to view the WDM file. I have encountered a problem when I try to create a new timeseries from model output. Specifically, when I try to create a timeseries of maximum annual values for each water year from the daily output I end up producing maximum annual values for the CALENDAR (not WATER) year. I intentionally change the "year end" drop down box to "SEP" when creating the new timeseries and I still end up with calendar year maximum values. Has anyone encountered this problem? Are there any known solutions? Thanks for any help you can provide. Justin Justin Twenter Brown and Caldwell 701 Pike Street, Suite 1200 Seattle, WA 98101 Tel: (206) 624-0100 Fax: (206) 749-2200 jtwenter@brwncald.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Partington/DC/USEPA/US@EPA 08/08/2006 02:31 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Question About Point Data for WDMUtil Here is a question from a HSPF user who is NOT subscribed to BASINSINFO Listserver. Could you please respond to Thoe Wai with a copy to the Listserver. Thanks Ed Thoe Wai To Group Basins@EPA 08/08/2006 01:34 cc AM Subject question on WDM data format Good afternoon. I am now using HSPF and want to input streamflow temperature (HTRCH:TW) externally, however the model said that the dataset should be point valued, while I can only make it mean valued by WDMUtil, so the model cannot run. I would like to ask how I can produce point valued timeseries by WDMUtil, or if there are any other means to input streamflow temperature externally. Thanks very much. Regards, Thoe Wai EPA/OW/OST/SHPD/RSTSSB/BASINS ----------------------------------------------------------- Jocelyn Ramsey 08/08/2006 07:55 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 Hello, Anybody knows if there is a threshold value that can be adjusted to avoid that ?Error Code 2? stops HSPF? And where would that value be? Thanks, Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shakeham [mailto:shakeham@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:03 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] [swat] Point Discharges Editing Are you playing some small tricks with the interface, trying to use some user-made shapefiles? What did you do exactly? In my experience the interface really doesn't like small cheats. You'd better follow instructions strictly step by step. It seems to me that in the interface once you started LULC import you cannot go back and insert PD, unless you backed up from there or start from the beginning. Also even if you backed up and go back to add the PD, you will need to go into LULC & Soil import again. This is very annoying to me. So I guess you may directly edit 'basins.fig' according to the description in the manual. After all, those text inputs are all that matters. One thing I'm not sure is whether it would cause problem later if your insert some hydrograph number that's greater than all of the rest. (This would happen if you insert anything because the interface made the hydrograph numbers sequencially and leaves no gap) I'd like to know if anybody has a better suggestion. On 4/27/06, manfredi vale wrote: Hello, I'm trying to edit the point discharges/inlet discharges in the swat view, but I receive an error message: No "Point Discharges" in the Watershed, even if the shapefile with Table added Point Sources (code "D") and Manually Added Point Sources (code "P") is actually present. Does anyone have any suggestion, please?! Regards manfredi Manfredi Vale Veneto Region Environmental Protection Agency 35131 Padova - Piazzale Stazione 1 mvale@arpa.veneto.it ------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Duda 08/09/2006 08:17 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 Hi Jocelyn, I don't think that the HSPF error code is related to the threshold value you chose. The first step when you get an error running HSPF should be to check the .ech file associated with your UCI for error messages. Paul Duda AQUA TERRA Consultants -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Ramsey [mailto:jocelyn.ramsey@powelminimax.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:56 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 Hello, Anybody knows if there is a threshold value that can be adjusted to avoid that ?Error Code 2? stops HSPF? And where would that value be? Thanks, Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shakeham [mailto:shakeham@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:03 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] [swat] Point Discharges Editing Are you playing some small tricks with the interface, trying to use some user-made shapefiles? What did you do exactly? In my experience the interface really doesn't like small cheats. You'd better follow instructions strictly step by step. It seems to me that in the interface once you started LULC import you cannot go back and insert PD, unless you backed up from there or start from the beginning. Also even if you backed up and go back to add the PD, you will need to go into LULC & Soil import again. This is very annoying to me. So I guess you may directly edit 'basins.fig' according to the description in the manual. After all, those text inputs are all that matters. One thing I'm not sure is whether it would cause problem later if your insert some hydrograph number that's greater than all of the rest. (This would happen if you insert anything because the interface made the hydrograph numbers sequencially and leaves no gap) I'd like to know if anybody has a better suggestion. On 4/27/06, manfredi vale wrote: Hello, I'm trying to edit the point discharges/inlet discharges in the swat view, but I receive an error message: No "Point Discharges" in the Watershed, even if the shapefile with Table added Point Sources (code "D") and Manually Added Point Sources (code "P") is actually present. Does anyone have any suggestion, please?! Regards manfredi Manfredi Vale Veneto Region Environmental Protection Agency 35131 Padova - Piazzale Stazione 1 mvale@arpa.veneto.it ----------------------------------------------- Paul Duda 08/09/2006 08:17 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 Hi Jocelyn, I don't think that the HSPF error code is related to the threshold value you chose. The first step when you get an error running HSPF should be to check the .ech file associated with your UCI for error messages. Paul Duda AQUA TERRA Consultants -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Ramsey [mailto:jocelyn.ramsey@powelminimax.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:56 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 Hello, Anybody knows if there is a threshold value that can be adjusted to avoid that ?Error Code 2? stops HSPF? And where would that value be? Thanks, Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shakeham [mailto:shakeham@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:03 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] [swat] Point Discharges Editing Are you playing some small tricks with the interface, trying to use some user-made shapefiles? What did you do exactly? In my experience the interface really doesn't like small cheats. You'd better follow instructions strictly step by step. It seems to me that in the interface once you started LULC import you cannot go back and insert PD, unless you backed up from there or start from the beginning. Also even if you backed up and go back to add the PD, you will need to go into LULC & Soil import again. This is very annoying to me. So I guess you may directly edit 'basins.fig' according to the description in the manual. After all, those text inputs are all that matters. One thing I'm not sure is whether it would cause problem later if your insert some hydrograph number that's greater than all of the rest. (This would happen if you insert anything because the interface made the hydrograph numbers sequencially and leaves no gap) I'd like to know if anybody has a better suggestion. On 4/27/06, manfredi vale wrote: Hello, I'm trying to edit the point discharges/inlet discharges in the swat view, but I receive an error message: No "Point Discharges" in the Watershed, even if the shapefile with Table added Point Sources (code "D") and Manually Added Point Sources (code "P") is actually present. Does anyone have any suggestion, please?! Regards manfredi Manfredi Vale Veneto Region Environmental Protection Agency 35131 Padova - Piazzale Stazione 1 mvale@arpa.veneto.it ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ali Saleh 08/09/2006 08:53 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject RE: [basinsinfo] Error Code 2 All, Please mark your calendar for the ?FOURTH CONFERENCE ON WATERSHED MANAGEMENT TO MEET WATER QUALITY AND TMDLS (TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD) ISSUES: SOLUTIONS AND IMPEDIMENTS TO WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND TMDLS?. The abstract submission is due next Friday (8/18/06). In addition to excellent papers related to water quality, TMDL, watershed modeling and monitoring, a number of workshops regarding watershed and TMDL modeling will be offered in this conference. There will be a private tour of downtown river walk system for attendees of this conference. This conference will be on March 9-13, 2007 in San Antonio Texas. The following link provides more information including the ?abstract submission form? for this conference. http://www.asabe.org/meetings/tmdl2007/index.htm Best Regards Ali Saleh, Ph.D. Texas Institute for Applied Environmental Research P.O. Box T410 Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76402 Phone: (254)968-9799 Fax: (254)968-9790 E-mail: saleh@tiaer.tarleton.edu --------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Shakeham 08/09/2006 01:25 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] "T" in the pricipitation data Hello BASINS fellows, The precipitation data I downloaded from NOAA has many 'T' which stands for 'Trace'. I'm just wondering what you guys are doing to this T? Setting every T to zero? or -99.9? or sth else? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Anurag Mishra 08/09/2006 02:04 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Question about FSTDEC Hi! I am trying to obtain more information about several hydrology and water quality parameters used in HSPF. I would like to know how the parameter FSTDEC is used in HSPF, and in what formula. When I searched FSTDEC in User's Manual (Ver 12), I only found it on Page 597 where it has been shown how to enter it in a UCI file. Any other guidance on the reliable range of values for this parameter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Anurag Mishra --------------------------------------------------------------------- Anurag Mishra 08/09/2006 02:04 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Question about FSTDEC Hi! I am trying to obtain more information about several hydrology and water quality parameters used in HSPF. I would like to know how the parameter FSTDEC is used in HSPF, and in what formula. When I searched FSTDEC in User's Manual (Ver 12), I only found it on Page 597 where it has been shown how to enter it in a UCI file. Any other guidance on the reliable range of values for this parameter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Anurag Mishra ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anurag Mishra 08/09/2006 03:51 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Correction: Question about FSTDEC Sorry for mailing again. I am simulating bacteria and so I am looking at FSTDEC values for bacteria. Anurag Mishra wrote: Hi! I am trying to obtain more information about several hydrology and water quality parameters used in HSPF. I would like to know how the parameter FSTDEC is used in HSPF, and in what formula. When I searched FSTDEC in User's Manual (Ver 12), I only found it on Page 597 where it has been shown how to enter it in a UCI file. Any other guidance on the reliable range of values for this parameter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Anurag Mishra ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Donigian 08/10/2006 06:00 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] ENVIRONMENTAL MODELER/SCIENTIST POSITIONS AVAILABLE ENVIRONMENTAL MODELER/SCIENTIST POSITIONS AVAILABLE As a result of recent contract awards, AQUA TERRA Consultants is seeking additional professional staff at all levels for its offices in Mountain View, CA and Atlanta, GA. We specialize in providing consulting services to government and industry in the area of water resource management and analysis, with emphasis on numerical modeling of water quantity and quality. Experience with GIS, software development, and specific model applications (e.g. HSPF, BASINS, SWAT, CE-QUAL-W2, etc.) are areas of need for current work. Interested applicants should review position requirements and application procedures at AQUA TERRA?s web site: www.aquaterra.com/employment.html Tony Donigian President & Principal Engineer AQUA TERRA Consultants Mountain View, CA 94043 -- Tony Donigian AQUA TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dacia Mosso 08/15/2006 01:19 PM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] New EPA Document: National Management Measures to Control Nonpoint Source Pollution from Hydromodification EPA is pleased to announce the availability of a new draft guidance document: National Management Measures to Control Nonpoint Source Pollution from Hydromodification. This technical guidance and reference document is appropriate for use by state, territory, and tribal managers, as well as the public, in the implementation of nonpoint source (NPS) pollution management programs in streams, lakes, estuaries, aquifers, and other waterbodies affected by hydromodification. At this time, EPA is requesting public comments on the draft document (See Federal Register Notice at http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-WATER/2006/July/Day-17/w11248.htm). The draft guidance enhances and updates the technical information contained in EPA's 1993 Guidance Specifying Management Measures for Sources of Nonpoint Pollution in Coastal Waters, published under section 6217(g) of the Coastal Zone Act Reauthorization Amendments of 1990 (CZARA). Whereas the 1993 guidance was regulatory, this document does not set new or additional standards for either CZARA section 6217 or Clean Water Act section 319 programs. The draft guidance contains information on management measures and corresponding practices that EPA considers effective for managing hydromodification and reducing nonpoint source pollution of surface and ground water (including use of BASINS for watershed assessments). The document discusses the broad concepts of assessing and addressing water quality problems on a watershed level, and presents recent technical information about how certain types of NPS pollution can be reduced effectively. Because it is national in scope, the guidance does not address all practices or techniques specific to local or regional soils or climates. Implementation of the guidance will result in increased use of scientifically sound, cost-effective hydromodification management measures, and will support states in their efforts to implement their Nonpoint Source Control Programs. Comments should be sent to Chris Solloway, Assessment and Watershed Protection Division (4503T), U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20460. Non-US Postal Service comments should be sent to Chris Solloway, Assessment and Watershed Protection Division, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, EPA West, Room 7330 N, 1301 Constitution Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20004. Faxes should be sent to (202) 566-1437. Comments may also be sent via email to . You can get more information about the guidance or download the document (in PDF format) at http://www.epa.gov/owow/nps/hydromod/index.htm Copies of the complete draft can also be obtained by request from Chris Solloway at the above address, by e-mail at , or by calling (202) 566-1202. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jferrari@al.umces.edu 08/16/2006 11:08 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] BASINS/HSPF atmospheric data Hello, I am totally new to using BASINS and HSPF, although I do have experience using other hydrological models such as RHESSys. I have two questions. 1. What is the minimum atmospheric input data required to perform an HSPF run? For example- we have Tmin, Tmax, precip and stream gage data for our watersheds. Is this sufficient? All we are trying to do is model stream outflow (no nutrient transport). 2. I have reviewed the BASINS and WDMUtil users manuals and tutorials- pretty much what I've seen is specific to download/manipulate data from web sources. All of our precip, temp and gage data is specific to our own gage/precip stations at each of our watersheds, therefore we would like to use our own data. I have not found information in the manuals @ how to go about formatting user-provided data into WDM format for HSPF simulations. Can anyone set me on the right path? Any/all input is greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance and Best Regards, Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Christian A. Villalta Calderon" 08/16/2006 03:53 AM Please respond to Private list for BASINS users To Private list for BASINS users cc bcc Subject [basinsinfo] Question Hi: I am trying to calibrate my water quality model. In this moment i am working with water temperature calibration, but i don't know which parameters change to get a better adjustment of the series My specifically question is how can I reduce the amplitud of the simulated water temperature series to get a better adjustment with the observed data. I am including a word file attachment with the plot of one of the locations. Thank you very much. Christian Villalta PhD. Graduate Student University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez ------------------------------------------------------------- Antes ahora y siempre COLEGIO University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez http://www.uprm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------