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àResearch€Triangle€Park,€NC€27711ÌÌà  àI.à ` àòòPurposeóóÐ ¬ü  Ðà  àÌà  àThe€U.€S.€Environmental€Protection€Agency€(EPA)€recently€began€development€ofÏNational€Emission€Standards€for€Hazardous€Air€Pollutants€(NESHAP)€for€the€rocket€engine€testÏfiring€and€engine€test€facilities€source€categories.€€A€meeting€was€held€on€April€22,€1998€betweenÏthe€EPA€and€representatives€from€aircraft€engine€test€firing€facilities.€€The€purpose€of€the€meetingÏwas€to€introduce€the€stakeholders€and€EPA€representatives,€discuss€the€NESHAP€process,€presentÏthe€schedule€for€NESHAP€development,€and€address€members'€comments€and€concerns.€€ÌÌà  àII.à ` àòòAttendeesóóÐ øH ÐÌà  àà ` àòòU.€S.€Environmental€Protection€Agency€(EPA)óóÐ Ð  ÐÌà  àà ` àFred€PorterÌà  àà ` àSims€RoyÌà  àà ` àGeorge€SmithÌÌà  àà ` àòòIndustry€RepresentativesóóÐ X ¨ ÐÌà  àà ` àBarbara€Barrin,€Watson€&€BarrinÌà  àà ` àElsie€Buttcane,€CSC€Edwards€Air€Force€BaseÌà  àà ` àFred€Chamberlain,€U.€S.€NavyÌà  àà ` àReginald€Ching,€U.€S.€Air€Force€Research€LabÌà  àà ` àGary€Chung,€Pratt€&€WhitneyÌà  àà ` àTom€Clark,€Arnold€Air€Force€Base,€TennesseeÌà  àà ` àT.€G.€Dale,€Delta€Airlinesà À àÐ ¸'#& Ðà  àà ` àKevin€Doyle,€Pratt€&€WhitneyÌà  àà ` àEverett€Douglas,€Aircraft€Environmental€Support€OfficeÌà  àà ` àThelma€Douglas,€American€Airlinesà  àÐ |*Ì%) Ðà  àà ` àMike€Dunn,€Naval€Surface€Warfare€Center,€Indian€HeadÐ h+¸&* ÐÑ úÑÑ7€õQXXdìXdì7ÑÑ  Ñà  àà ` àPhil€Fowlie,€United€AirlinesÐ ° Ðà  àà ` àDale€Francke,€Pratt€&€WhitneyÌà  àà ` àPaul€Gorish,€Naval€Air€Weapons€Station,€China€LakeÌà  àà ` àTony€Gutterman,€SMC€LA€Air€Force€BaseÌà  àà ` àPeter€J.€Hart,€Allison€Engineering€CompanyÌà  àà ` àW.€J.€Henderson,€Delta€AirlinesÌà  àà ` àPatty€Higginbotham,€Air€Transport€Association€Ìà  àà ` àGene€Jeunelot,€U.S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àMajor€Larry€Kim,€U.S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àBill€Koutris,€GEC€MarconiÌà  àà ` àAlan€McDonald,€ThiokolÌà  àà ` àBrenda€Mohn,€Naval€Air€Weapons€Station,€China€LakeÌà  àà ` àUrsula€P.€Moul,€U.€S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àGail€Murphree,€UTC/NASAÌà  àà ` àPravin€Patel,€Allison€Engineering€CompanyÌà  àà ` àIra€G.€Pearl,€Delta€AirlinesÌà  àà ` àAnita€Pederstuen,€Alliant€TechsystemsÌà  àà ` àSteve€Rasmussen,€Hill€Air€Force€BaseÌà  àà ` àBrenda€Reese,€Aircraft€Environmental€Support€OfficeÌà  àà ` àGlynn€Rountree,€Aerospace€Industries€AssociationÌà  àà ` àJim€Scrofani,€U.€S.€NavyÌà  àà ` àJim€Ryckman,€U.€S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àMary€Ruth€Senn,€U.€S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àJohn€Solberg,€U.€S.€Air€ForceÌà  àà ` àJames€Sumner,€GE€Aircraft€EnginesÌà  àà ` àBryan€Taft,€Delta€AirlinesÌà  àà ` àJoe€Thompson,€ThiokolÌà  àà ` àJohn€Tominack,€U.€S.€NavyÌà  àà ` àMaria€Toohey,€Pratt€&€WhitneyÌÌà  àà ` àòòMidwest€Research€Institute€(MRI)óóÐ X ¨ ÐÌà  àà ` àKatie€HanksÌà  àà ` àDoug€LincolnÌà  àà ` àDavid€ReevesÌà  àà ` àBrian€StrongÌà  àà ` àMichael€WigginsÌÌà  àIII.à ` àòòDiscussionÐ ¸'#& ÐóóÌà  àA.à ` àòòIntroductionóóÐ )à$( ÐÌà  àÓÓHandouts€on€the€information€to€be€discussed€were€provided€to€the€participants€at€theÐ h+¸&* Ðmeeting€(see€attachments).€€This€meeting€summary€does€not€repeat€the€material€in€the€handouts,Ïbut€summarizes€the€discussions€of€the€attendees.Ìà  à€George€Smith€began€the€meeting€by€requesting€that€each€of€the€industry,€MRI,€and€EPAÏrepresentatives€identify€themselves€and€their€affiliation.€€Mr.€Smith€mentioned€that€the€finalÏNESHAP€standard€is€scheduled€to€be€completed€by€November€15,€2000.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€thatÏthe€schedule€is€tight€and€it€will€be€challenging€to€meet€the€November€2000€promulgation€date.ÓYÓÌÌÌà  àB.à ` àòòDiscussion€of€NESHAP€processóóÐ ¬ü  ÐÌÓÓà  àBrian€Strong€began€a€presentation€with€an€overview€of€the€NESHAP€process.€€Mr.StrongÏalso€discussed€sources€of€information,€the€schedule,€and€tentative€topics€for€teleconferences€andÏmeetings.ÌÓGÓÌà  àC.€à ` àòòDiscussion€of€Source€CategoryóóÐ øH ÐÌÓÓà  àMr.€Strong€presented€information€on€the€possible€scope€of€the€source€category.€ÏMr.Strong€asked€the€industry€for€input€on€the€type€of€testing€done€for€aircraft€engines.€€JohnÏSolberg€stated€that€a€majority€of€the€test€cells€in€the€Air€Force€would€not€be€considered€majorÏsources.€€Mr.€Solberg€stated€that€the€test€cells€are€operated€for€only€very€short€time€periods.€ÏMr.Strong€stated€that€a€lot€of€Air€Force€test€cells€are€operated€at€sites€that€have€other€operationsÏthat€cause€the€site€to€be€classified€as€a€major€source.€€Since€the€overall€site€would€be€classified€asÏmajor,€the€facility€would€have€to€comply€with€the€aircraft€engine€test€firing€NESHAP.€ÏMr.Solberg€asked€about€facilities€that€do€both€painting€and€aircraft€engine€tests.€€Mr.€SolbergÏstated€that€the€paint€emissions€would€cause€the€facility€to€be€classified€as€major.€€Mr.StrongÏstated€that€if€the€facility€was€major€then€it€would€be€regulated€by€the€aircraft€engine€test€firingÐ h+¸&* ÐNESHAP.€€Jim€Ryckman€stated€the€NESHAP€would€apply€to€collocated€major€sources€but€wouldÏnot€apply€to€minor€sources€which€are€collocated.€€Brenda€Mohn€mentioned€that€the€woodÏfurniture€NESHAP€does€not€affect€collocated€sources.€€Mr.€Smith€asked€Ms.€Mohn€to€provide€aÏposition€paper€to€justify€de€minimis€for€this€project.€€Industry€representatives€asked€about€theÏdefinition€of€potential€to€emit.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€a€definition€for€potential€to€emit€will€beÏposted€on€the€engine€testing€NESHAP€web€site.€Ìà  àMs.€Mohn€stated€that€China€Lake€is€classified€as€a€level€ð ðOðð€facility€and€they€are€notÏallowed€to€remove€the€aircraft€engine€or€to€paint€the€aircraft.€€Ms.€Mohn€stated€that€she€thoughtÏthat€the€aircraft€engine€test€firing€NESHAP€will€be€for€performance€testing€of€jets.€€Ms.€MohnÏmentioned€that€China€Lake€performs€survivability€tests.€€She€stated€that€EPA€needs€to€define€whatÏtype€of€aircraft€engine€testing€the€NESHAP€will€cover.Ìà  àJim€Sumner€asked€about€what€the€basis€is€for€the€decision€on€whether€a€source€is€major.€ÏHe€asked€if€the€EPA€can€make€a€conclusion€on€a€source€category€being€major€when€there€is€noÏdata€to€support€the€decision.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€he€thinks€that€the€aircraft€engine€test€firingÏsource€category€is€major,€but€he€would€like€to€emphasize€the€need€for€getting€reliable€emissionsÏdata.€€Mr.€Pearl€stated€that€he€was€alarmed€at€the€lack€of€emissions€data.€€Mr.€Pearl€stated€that€aÏmethod€needs€to€be€determined€for€validating€data.€€Mr.€Sumner€suggested€that€EPA€develop€aÏprotocol€for€examining€data.€€Mr.€Sumner€asked€how€EPA€can€judge€the€data€that€has€alreadyÏbeen€produced.€€He€remarked€that€some€of€the€tests€were€performed€as€long€ago€as€the€1970s.Ìà  àEverett€Douglas€asked€if€EPA€has€a€protocol€for€testing€emissions€from€aircraft€engine€testÏcells.€€Mr.€Strong€remarked€that€EPA€does€not€have€a€specific€protocol€for€aircraft€engine€testÏcells,€but€they€do€have€a€general€protocol€for€testing€procedures.€€Ð h+¸&* Ðà  àMr.€Sumner€commented€that€it€does€not€seem€appropriate€to€include€storage€tanks.€€HeÏstated€that€EPA€should€focus€only€on€engine€testing.€€Kevin€Doyle€agreed€with€Mr.€Sumner€andÏstated€that€storage€tanks€were€already€regulated€by€other€sources.€€Mr.€Pearl€stated€that€the€NSPSÏregulated€storage€tanks.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€the€NSPS€only€regulated€criteria€pollutants€and€notÏHAPððs.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€one€facility€should€be€regulated€by€only€one€NESHAP.€€Ìà  àMr.€Smith€asked€the€industry€if€they€have€any€concerns€besides€aircraft€engine€test€cells.€ÏMr.€Sumner€stated€that€GE€produces€non„aerospace€engines.€€Mr.€Douglas€stated€that€the€NavyÏwould€test€ship€engines€in€an€aircraft€engine€test€cell.€€He€questioned€if€the€NESHAP€wouldÏregulate€this€type€of€operation.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€it€would€be€regulated€because€the€NESHAPÏis€for€engine€testing.Ìà  àMr.€Smith€asked€how€the€industry€representatives€suggest€that€the€data€gathering€be€done.€ÏMr.€Sumner€stated€that€he€would€be€happy€to€gather€and€send€data,€but€he€thinks€a€protocol€needsÏto€be€developed€in€order€to€determine€if€data€are€valid.€€He€emphasized€developing€a€tool€toÏvalidate€data€by€looking€at€the€sampling€method€and€age€of€the€data.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€heÏwould€like€to€streamline€the€data€for€the€EPA€in€order€to€make€sure€the€data€are€accurate.€€HeÏcommented€that€the€entire€document€would€still€be€sent€to€the€EPA.Ìà  àThelma€Douglas€asked€about€the€possibility€of€delisting€the€aircraft€engine€test€cell€sourceÏcategory.€€Jim€Ryckman€asked€what€EPA€would€do€if€EPA€performed€data€collection€and€noÏMACT€floor€was€determined.€€Would€the€EPA€delist€or€go€beyond€the€floor?€€Mr.€Smith€statedÏthat€EPA€could€go€beyond€the€floor,€but€EPA€would€need€a€very€good€reason.€€Mr.€Smith€statedÏthat€delisting€is€very€hard€to€accomplish;€he€remarked€that€the€industry€should€contact€him€atÏanother€time€if€they€wished€to€pursue€delisting€aircraft€engine€test€cells.Ð h+¸&* Ðà  àMr.€Smith€stated€that,€from€the€information€EPA€has€currently€gathered,€it€appears€thatÏthe€regulation€will€be€some€type€of€work€practice.€€Mr.€Rasmussen€remarked€that€the€State€officeÏof€Utah€has€work€practices€for€criteria€pollutants,€but€none€for€HAPððs.€€Ìà  àMr.€Doyle€suggested€posting€gathered€data€over€the€Internet€in€order€for€stakeholders€toÏsee€what€data€EPA€has€collected.€€Mr.€Sumner€disagreed€because€he€believed€that€if€data€wasÏposted€on€the€web€it€would€be€presumed€that€the€data€had€been€validated.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€thatÏhe€hopes€the€EPA€and€industry€can€share€data€back€and€forth.€€Kathy€Ellis€asked€how€confidentialÏbusiness€information€(CBI)€would€be€handled.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€EPA€has€CBI€policies€thatÏwould€keep€designated€information€confidential.€ÌÓ’ÓÌà  àD.à ` àòòDiscussion€of€Site€Visitsóóà À àÐ 4„ ÐÌÓÓà  àMr.€Strong€presented€information€on€possible€locations€for€site€visits.€€Mr.€Strong€askedÏthe€industry€about€possible€sites€located€in€California€besides€Edwards€Air€Force€Base€and€ChinaÏLake.€€Mr.€Douglas€stated€that€the€San€Diego€Navy€Base€would€be€a€good€location€to€visit.€ÏMr.Sumner€stated€that€GE€has€a€small€commercial€site€located€at€LAX€in€California.Ìà  àMr.€Sumner€asked€if€it€was€appropriate€for€EPA€to€start€determining€site€visits€when€aÏmethod€for€evaluating€the€data€has€not€been€determined.€€Mr.€Strong€stated€that€EPA€was€notÏselecting€sites€at€this€point,€but€just€making€a€list€of€potential€locations.Ìà  àMr.€Strong€asked€about€the€sites€that€EPA€could€visit€in€the€Ohio€area.€€He€mentionedÏWright„Patterson€Air€Force€Base,€GE€Aircraft€Engines,€and€the€NASA€Lewis€Research€Center.€ÏIndustry€representatives€stated€that€Wright„Patterson€Air€Force€Base€was€not€a€good€location€toÏsee€jet€engine€test€cells.€€Ms.€Murphree€stated€that€she€would€check€to€see€what€operations€areÐ |*Ì%) Ðlocated€at€the€NASA€Lewis€Research€Center.Ìà  àMr.€Sumner€stated€that€EPA€should€visit€a€repair€and€rework€facility.€€He€stated€that€mostÏof€the€locations€that€were€listed€in€the€presentation€are€large€companies€and€EPA€should€includeÏvisits€to€small€private€and€military€locations.€€He€also€stated€that€EPA€should€visit€a€commercialÏairline€location.Ìà  àMr.€Pearl€asked€what€the€primary€constraint€is€for€EPA€in€doing€site€visits.€€Mr.€SmithÏstated€that€travel€funds€limit€EPA€to€three€to€four€site€visits.€€Mr.€Pearl€stated€that€ATA€would€beÏinterested€in€expanding€EPA€site€visits€by€possibly€providing€funding€for€airline€tickets.€€Mr.€SmithÏcommented€that€EPA€would€examine€the€funding€issue.ÌÓÈ-ÓÌà  àE.€€à ` àòòDiscussion€of€Emission€TestingóóÐ 4„ ÐÌÓÓà  àMr.€Strong€opened€the€floor€for€discussion€of€emission€testing.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€thatÏthe€emissions€from€aircraft€engine€test€cells€need€to€be€determined.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€theÏemissions€from€test€cells€might€not€be€large€enough€to€regulate.€€Kevin€Doyle€asked€what€theÏHAP€emissions€from€these€sources€are€and€what€testing€has€been€done.ò ò€€ó óDoug€Lincoln€discussedÐ ”ä Ðthat€the€EPA€had€reviewed€data€for€specific€source€categories€and€hadò ò€ó ódetermined€that€the€sourceÐ tÄ Ðcategory€ð ðEngine€Test€Facilitiesðð€emits€HAPððs.€€He€stated€that€the€data€was€from€aÏbackground/determination€study€for€MACT€conducted€by€the€EPA€and€that€the€document€doesÏprovide€references€for€the€listed€HAPððs.€€He€also€stated€that€current€jet€engine€emission€data€thatÏEPA€has€on€hand€is€not€as€complete€as€it€could€be€and€that€more€data€are€needed€before€anyÏdeterminations€can€be€made.€€He€stated€that€this€NESHAP€is€still€in€the€beginning€stages€and€theÏmajor€decisions€that€will€be€made€based€on€HAP€emission€levels€will€not€be€made€for€some€time.€Ð Œ*Ü%) ÐMr.€Lincoln€stated€that€the€Air€Force€currently€is€working€on€a€project€to€develop€emissionÏfactors€for€their€fleet€of€engines.€€Ìà  àMajor€Larry€Kim€stated€that€the€Air€Force€has€performed€HAP€emission€tests€on€a€largeÏsample€of€aircraft€engines.€€He€stated€that€it€was€unfortunate€that€the€data€was€not€available€beforeÏthe€source€category€was€created.€€The€aircraft€engines€involved€in€the€test€used€JP„8€and€JP„5Ïfuel.€€He€stated€that€Jet„A€fuel€is€very€similar€to€JP„8€fuel.€€A€wide€range€of€aircraft€engines€wereÏtested€in€order€to€get€a€large€sample.€€The€Air€Force€tested€over€twenty€engines,€including€onesÏfor€the€C„130,€helicopter,€cargo€plane,€fighters,€and€bombers.€€Mr.€Smith€asked€how€much€HAP€isÏemitted€from€the€jet€engines€in€terms€of€tons€per€year.€€Mr.€Kim€stated€that€he€could€not€give€aÏnumber,€but€he€stated€that€the€HAP€emissions€were€in€terms€of€pounds€per€year€and€not€tons€perÏyear.€€Mr.€Kim€stated€that€the€emission€tests€only€checked€for€HAPððs€that€would€reasonablyÏappear€in€a€test€cell.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€a€detailed€evaluation€of€the€data€must€be€done.€ÏMr.Sumner€questioned€if€there€is€a€way€to€extrapolate€data€on€JP„8€fuel€to€Jet„A€fuel.€€Mr.€KimÏstated€that€it€may€be€possible€to€extrapolate€this€data€to€other€fuels€and€engines€and€that€one€of€theÏgoals€of€the€project€is€to€examine€that€possibility.€€Mr.€Kim€stated€that€the€final€report€of€the€AirÏForce€emission€tests€is€due€at€the€end€of€July,€and€there€is€the€possibility€that€another€engine,€theÏF„22€engine,€test€will€be€added€to€the€project€because€all€of€the€funding€has€not€been€used.€€If€theÏadditional€engine€is€tested,€that€might€delay€the€report€deadline.€€Mr.€Pearl€asked€if€the€preliminaryÏinformation€could€be€provided€earlier.€€Mr.€Kim€stated€that€the€release€of€the€information€wouldÏhave€to€be€authorized€by€public€affairs.Ìà  àMr.€Pearl€mentioned€that€EPA€needs€to€develop€an€EPA€reference€method€for€testing.€ÏMr.€Sumner€asked€if€EPA€is€interested€in€development€of€a€protocol.€€He€stated€that€the€protocolÐ h+¸&* Ðwould€define€how€existing€data€should€be€examined.€€Mr.€Smith€asked€the€industry€to€send€a€draftÏfor€a€protocol€and€said€EPA€would€examine€it.€€Mr.€Sumner€stated€that€the€trade€groups€shouldÏget€together€in€the€next€two€to€three€weeks€in€order€to€discuss€the€protocol.€€Mr.€SumnerÏsuggested€having€a€conference€call€with€EPA€in€order€to€discuss€the€development€of€a€protocol.€ÏMr.€Kim€stated€that€the€protocol€used€by€the€Air€Force€had€been€looked€at€thoroughly€and€the€AirÏForce€is€very€comfortable€with€the€results€from€their€emission€tests.Ìà  àMr.€Smith€asked€what€the€industry€thought€of€emission€testing.€€Mr.€Sumner€asked€if€theÏEPA€had€an€emission€testing€budget.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€EPA€had€set€aside€a€certain€amount€ofÏfunds€for€emission€testing.€€Mr.€Sumner€commented€that€EPA€budget€was€probably€not€largeÏenough,€because€emission€testing€is€extremely€expensive.€€Mr.€Sumner€asked€whether€the€EPAÏplans€to€set€up€an€emission€test€program€or€gather€existing€data.€€Mr.€Strong€stated€that€at€theÏpresent€time€EPA€plans€to€gather€existing€data.€ÌÓ&5ÓÌà  àF.€à ` àòòDiscussion€of€Information€Collection€Request€(ICR)óóÐ ¼  ÐÌÓÓà  àDave€Reeves€presented€information€on€an€information€collection€request€(ICR).€€HeÏopened€the€floor€for€discussion€about€the€generic€ICR.€€Mr.€Pearl€asked€whether€EPA€would€sendÏout€an€ICR€if€EPA€gathered€enough€information€without€an€ICR.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€an€ICR€isÏnot€required€if€EPA€receives€enough€information.€€Mr.€Sumner€asked€if€EPA€had€looked€at€theÏICR€for€the€past€NOx€study.€€Mr.€Strong€stated€that€EPA€had€looked€at€the€ICR,€but€it€did€notÏhave€much€detail€and€no€information€on€HAPððs.€€Mr.€Ryckman€asked€if€the€ICR€will€be€availableÏelectronically.€€Mr.Reeves€stated€that€an€electronic€ICR€is€an€option.€Ìà  àMr.€Ryckman€asked€about€the€possibility€of€a€voluntary€questionnaire.€€Fred€Porter€statedÐ |*Ì%) Ðthat€EPA€could€not€use€information€submitted€by€industry€if€the€EPA€indirectly€solicited€orÏsomehow€coerced€that€information.€€The€EPA€can€only€use€information€submitted€voluntarily€byÏindustry€or€the€general€public€without€EPA€coercion.€€Mr.€Porter€stated€that€any€information€thatÏEPA€receives€through€coercion€could€be€considered€to€be€an€ICR€and€would€therefore€need€toÏhave€Office€of€Management€and€Budget€(OMB)€approval.€€Mr.€Porter€stated€that€he€did€not€wantÏto€discourage€voluntary€information€submission,€but€it€must€be€without€coercion.€€Mr.€SumnerÏasked€if€another€meeting€could€be€held€in€order€to€discuss€the€ICR.€€Mr.€Smith€stated€that€anotherÏmeeting€would€be€set€up€in€the€next€few€weeks.Ìà  àG.€€òòConclusionóóÐ pÀ Ðà  àMr.€Smith€stated€that€a€web€site€has€been€set€up€in€order€to€coordinate€the€development€ofÏthe€rocket€engine€test€firing€NESHAP.€€The€web€site€isÏð ðwww.epa.gov/ttn/uatw/engtest/rock_eng.htmlðð.€€