FOURTH SEMI-ANNUAL SAMI MEETING PALMETTO EXPOSITION CENTER GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA SATURDAY, JUNE 10, 1995 10:30 A.M. STEVEN J. LEVITAS, CHAIRMAN 2 1 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 2 GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE FOURTH 3 SEMIANNUAL MEETING OF THE SOUTHERN APPALACHIAN 4 MOUNTAINS INITIATIVE TO ORDER. I'M STEVE 5 LEVITAS, THE DEPUTY SECRETARY OF THE NORTH 6 CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT, HEALTH AND 7 NATURAL RESOURCES AND THIS YEAR'S SAMI 8 CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING LESLIE 9 AND THE SAMI STAFF FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK 10 TO PUT THIS MEETING TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S 11 BEEN ANOTHER GREAT SUCCESS, AND THAT SUCCESS IS 12 DUE IN PART TO THE WORK OF A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE 13 HAD VOLUNTEERS OUT FRONT OF THE GREENVILLE 14 CONVENTION AND VISITORS' CENTER WHO HAVE BEEN 15 SERVING AS VOLUNTEERS FOR US. THE EXPO CENTER 16 AND PHOENIX INN HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH OUR 17 ACCOMMODATIONS, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK 18 EVERYONE FOR MAKING THIS A GREAT SUCCESS. WE 19 HAVE A REVISED AGENDA FOR THIS BUSINESS 20 MEETING. IT IS OUR HOPE AND EXPECTATION THAT 21 WE WILL CONCLUDE NO LATER THAN TWELVE-THIRTY. 22 LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE THE REVISED AGENDA? 23 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 24 I WASN'T ABLE TO GET AN OVERHEAD FILM. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 3 1 YOU DON'T HAVE AN OVERHEAD? WELL --- 2 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 3 BUT I'VE GOT INDIVIDUALS. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 GOOD. WELL, THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS ON OUR 6 AGENDA TODAY IS A REPORT FROM OUR THREE 7 STANDING COMMITTEES, AND THESE WILL BE BRIEF 8 REPORTS. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY CALLING ON BOB 9 KERR TO REPORT FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE. YOU 10 WANT TO TAKE A PASS? 11 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ 12 NO, WE'LL DO IT. THE POLICY COMMITTEE, IN 13 SMALL GROUP BREAK-OUTS, ACTED ON A WIDE RANGE, 14 A LARGE MENU, IF YOU WILL, OF EMO'S. A 15 SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM HAVE BEEN 16 RECOMMENDED FOR ACTION BY THE TECHNICAL 17 OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE TO THE TOC THOSE 18 EMO'S HOPEFULLY IN A WAY THAT WILL HELP GUIDE 19 THEM IN THE DESIGN OF THIS AUTOMOBILE THAT 20 THEY'RE IN PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER, 21 SOMETIMES CALLED THE INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT 22 FRAMEWORK. AND AS CUSTOMERS, WE FEEL IT'S OUR 23 RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP DEVELOP THE QUESTIONS 24 AND DO THAT IN A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME THAT 25 WILL GUIDE THAT AUTOMOBILE DESIGN, IF YOU WILL. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 4 1 WE ALSO HAVE SENT BACK TO THE POLICY 2 COMMITTEE FROM SMALL WORK GROUP A NUMBER OF 3 EMO'S FOR FURTHER GUIDANCE TO THE SMALL GROUP. 4 PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN ANY OF THAT, WE 5 HAVE GOTTEN INTO A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT 6 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE PC IN TERMS OF 7 PROCESS AND TERMS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS 8 A NUMBER OF THESE STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS AND 9 ISSUES. AND OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OR THREE 10 MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A SMALL 11 GROUP THAT IS GOING TO RETHINK SOME OF THIS 12 PROCESS ORIENTATION, AND AT OUR NEXT MEETING, 13 WHICH WILL OCCUR IN SEPTEMBER, THE POLICY 14 COMMITTEE WE WILL, IN A FACILITATED SESSION, 15 DEVELOP SOME OF THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION, PICK 16 ONE OR TWO INITIATIVES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE MAY 17 LOOK AT INCENTIVES AND TRY TO DEVELOP AN ARRAY 18 OF OPTIONS IN THE FACILITATED SESSION FROM 19 THOSE ACTIVITIES AND THEN OUT OF THAT, 20 DETERMINE WHICH ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS WE WILL 21 EXAMINE IN HOUSE, I.E., IN THE POLICY 22 COMMITTEE, AND WHICH ONES WE WILL DEVELOP 23 QUESTIONS FOR THE TOC. AND THAT WILL BE OUR 24 GENERAL APPROACH, I THINK, IN THE NEXT AT LEAST 25 TWO OR THREE MEETINGS OF THE POLICY COMMITTEE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 5 1 AND SEE IF THAT WON'T BE MORE EFFICIENT THAN 2 THE SORT OF HODGEPODGE, IF YOU WILL, OF 3 INDIVIDUAL EMO'S THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING 4 INDIVIDUALLY AS OPPOSED TO A COLLECTIVE 5 STRATEGY. 6 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 7 THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN, ANY QUESTIONS 8 FOR BOB? GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. 9 I'D NOW LIKE TO CALL ON DOUG NEELEY, THE 10 CHAIRMAN OF THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. 11 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 12 MINE WILL BE A BRIEF REPORT SINCE YESTERDAY YOU 13 HEARD ME BACK AT CAMP GIVE A PRESENTATION ON 14 WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL THE VARIOUS CONTRACTS AND 15 THE WORK UNDERWAY. WE HAVE WORK UNDERWAY IN 16 ALL OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES IN THE WORK GROUP 17 AREAS. BUT JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME DATES THAT 18 THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, WE HAVE SET JULY 19 20TH AND 21ST FOR THE TWO-DAY WORKSHOP THAT IS 20 SPELLED OUT IN THE INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT 21 FRAMEWORK CONTRACT, AND THAT WILL BE IN 22 ATLANTA. AND THAT'S FOR BOTH THE SOCIOECONOMIC 23 AND THE INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT FRAMEWORK WORK 24 GROUP. 25 AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 14TH AND 15TH, WE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 6 1 WILL HAVE A DRAFT THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED OF 2 THE DESIGN OF THAT FRAMEWORK AND WE WILL HAVE A 3 WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE DESIGN. AND THEN WE'LL 4 BRING ALL OF OUR CONTRACTORS TOGETHER. SO I'LL 5 BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 6 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 7 REPEAT THOSE LAST DATES. 8 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 9 SEPTEMBER 14TH AND 15TH. 10 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 11 IS THAT ALSO IN ATLANTA? 12 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 13 YES. WE CHOSE ATLANTA BECAUSE OF THE CHEAP AIR 14 FARE. 15 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ 16 AND NO OTHER REASONS? 17 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 18 THAT IS THE ONLY REASON, I PROMISE. ANY 19 QUESTIONS? 20 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 21 THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GOOD WORK AND A LOT OF 22 PROGRESS. LUCY CABOT-SMETHURST WILL NOW REPORT 23 FOR THE PAC. 24 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 25 VERY BRIEFLY, WE, TOO, ARE HAVING A MEETING ON SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 7 1 THE 14TH AND 15TH, SERENDIPITY. I'LL GET TO 2 THAT IN A MINUTE. I WANT TO FIRST REPORT ON 3 THE FOUR FACT SHEETS THAT WE PROMISED WE'D HAVE 4 TO YOU. I LIED. WE HAVE ONE FACT SHEET THAT I 5 WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO APPROVE TODAY. BUT LET 6 ME TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THREE VERY BRIEFLY TO 7 SAY THAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS 8 THAT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE 9 WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE FACT SHEETS, WHO 10 REPRESENT IN EACH CASE VERY DIFFERENT 11 CONSTITUENCIES --AND THOSE FACT SHEETS ARE THE 12 CLEAN AIR FACT SHEET, THE AIR POLLUTION FACT 13 SHEET AND THE VISIBILITY FACT SHEET. AND YOU 14 CAN SEE JUST BY THEIR TITLES THAT THOSE ARE 15 CONTROVERSIAL AREAS, AND WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE 16 WITH VERY DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND THAT 17 PROCESS HAS TAKEN TIME, BUT IT'S REALLY COMING 18 TOGETHER AND WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE IN FINAL 19 PRODUCT TO YOU IN A MONTH'S TIME. IN FACT, 20 PEOPLE ARE SAYING I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THIS 21 EASY. IT'S REALLY MOVING ALONG. WE ARE NOW 22 WORKING TOGETHER. SO THAT PROCESS WASN'T -- I 23 WASN'T WILLING TO AVERT THAT PROCESS AND SO I 24 WANT TO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. THE SAMI 25 PARTNERSHIP THING IS WORKING. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 8 1 THE FOURTH FACT SHEET, WHICH IS ONE ON 2 CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, HAS GONE THROUGH THE 3 ENTIRE PEER REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH I CALL THE 4 HOMOGENIZATION PROCESS, AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO 5 ADOPT IT TODAY. THERE ARE TWO -- MINUS THE 6 TYPOS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT THE TYPOS. AND 7 WE ALSO HAVE DECIDED THAT THE STATEMENT ON THE 8 SIDE WHICH LOOKS LIKE THE MISSION STATEMENT, 9 WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND USE THE ORIGINAL 10 MISSION STATEMENT RATHER THAN THE LAYMANIZED 11 MISSION STATEMENT THAT APPEARS ON THE LEFT-HAND 12 SIDE OF THE COLUMN. SO PLEASE IGNORE THAT, AND 13 WE'RE GOING TO LIFT THE WORDS FROM THE 14 OPERATING PLAN AND USE THAT RATHER THAN OUR 15 LAYMANIZED VERSION. 16 ASIDE FROM THAT, WE HAVE A MEETING SET UP 17 THE 14TH AND 15TH IN ASHEVILLE BECAUSE THE 18 AIRPLANE RATES ARE REAL CHEAP UP THERE, TOO, 19 AND IT'S NEAR THE MOUNTAINS. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN 20 WORKING A GREAT DEAL ON THE EMO'S AND I WILL 21 REPORT ON THOSE LATER BECAUSE THAT WILL BE 22 SUFFICIENT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD 23 ENTERTAIN, HOWEVER, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 24 CITIZEN PARTICIPATION --- 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 9 1 WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT LATER IN THE AGENDA AND 2 WE'LL TAKE THAT UP -- 3 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 4 YOU DO? OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. 5 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 6 -- AT THAT TIME IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO YOU. 7 LET ME JUST ASK YOU TO SAY A WORD ABOUT YOUR 8 BROCHURE AND SUMMARY DOCUMENT WHICH WERE 9 AVAILABLE TO US. 10 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 11 YES. IT'S FINISHED. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 WELL, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO BE THE ONE SAYING THE 14 WORDS. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON 15 THOSE PRODUCTS. 16 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 17 THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK OUT OF YOUR OFFICE, 18 PARTICULARLY THE SAMI OFFICE, AND THE AMOUNT OF 19 WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT. THAT BROCHURE TOOK A 20 YEAR TO PRODUCE AND THE FACT SHEETS ARE NOW ON 21 A MUCH FASTER TRACK, AND I THINK THAT'S A 22 SYMBOL OF HOW WE'RE MOVING ALONG IN THIS 23 ORGANIZATION. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 GOOD. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 10 1 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 2 I THINK THE BROCHURE IS EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, 3 ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 DAVID CARR? SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. 6 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 7 LUCY, HAVE YOU ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A BUDGET 8 FOR THE PUBLIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND FUTURE -- 9 - 10 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 11 OH, YES. OH, YES. DOESN'T THAT COME LATER IN 12 THE AGENDA? 13 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 14 YES. 15 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 16 YES. THE ANSWER IS DEFINITELY YES, DAVID. 17 THANK YOU FOR RAISING IT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM 18 ANYONE AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR THOSE REPORTS. THE 21 NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE TREASURER'S 22 REPORT. I THINK WE NOW HAVE SOME HARD COPIES 23 FOR THE GOVERNING BODY, AND WE'LL PRESENT THIS 24 INFORMATION BY OVERHEAD, AND I'LL CALL ON 25 ANGELA BROWN TO MAKE THAT REPORT. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 11 1 M_S_.__B_R_O_W_N_:_ 2 WE'LL FIRST BE LOOKING AT THE SHEET THE 3 GOVERNING BODY HAS, THE 1990 SAMI DISBURSEMENTS 4 COMPARED TO THE 1995 APPROVED BUDGET. AND 5 WE'LL START WITH THE TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT. 6 THERE WAS A HUNDRED AND NINETY-THREE THOUSAND 7 DOLLARS APPROVED AND TWELVE THOUSAND FIVE 8 HUNDRED HAS BEEN SPENT. 9 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 10 ANGELA, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT JUST 11 IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I THINK WE OUGHT TO -- 12 I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LINE ITEM -- 13 M_S_.__B_R_O_W_N_:_ 14 OKAY. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 -- BY LINE ITEM REPORT ON THIS, BUT WHY DON'T 17 WE PUT THIS UP AND -- WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE 18 APPROVED BUDGET IN THE LEFT COLUMN AND 19 EXPENDITURES THROUGH --- 20 M_S_.__B_R_O_W_N_:_ 21 UP TO TODAY. THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT A CHECK 22 HAS ACTUALLY BEEN WRITTEN FOR. 23 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 24 ALL RIGHT, LET ME JUST ASK FOR US TO TAKE A 25 LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 12 1 QUESTIONS. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT 2 REQUIRE EXPLANATION, I'D WELCOME THAT, BUT I 3 THINK WE MIGHT DO BETTER JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT 4 THESE NUMBERS. 5 M_S_.__B_R_O_W_N_:_ 6 SURE. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 JUST TO REMIND FOLKS, THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR 9 THE FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1 TO SEPTEMBER 10 30TH. 11 M_S_.__A_N_D_R_E_W_S_:_ 12 STEVE, ON THE SAMI BROCHURE, WAS THAT ORIGINAL 13 FIFTY THOUSAND COPIES JUST A MISPRINT AND WE 14 ENDED UP WITH FIFTEEN OR WAS THERE A CHANGE IN 15 DIRECTION? 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 WE ENDED UP WITH A MORE EXPENSIVE BROCHURE AND 18 THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MADE THE DECISION TO 19 APPROVE GOING FORWARD WITH FEWER COPIES AND A 20 HIGHER QUALITY BROCHURE. I THINK THAT'S AN 21 ACCURATE STATEMENT OF HOW WE GOT TO THAT POINT. 22 ALAN, DID --- 23 M_R_.__K_L_I_M_E_K_:_ 24 IT WAS SOMEWHAT RELUCTANT BUT ACCURATE, YES. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 13 1 OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT EXPENDITURES TO DATE? 2 WELL, WHILE PEOPLE MAY BE FORMULATING OTHER 3 QUESTIONS, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE 4 EXPENDITURES ON TECHNICAL ASSESSMENTS. WE 5 OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN 6 ALLOCATED. IS DOUG -- MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON 7 WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS OR REBECCA --- 8 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 9 I PLEAD A LITTLE BIT OF IGNORANCE BECAUSE I 10 HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THIS SHEET TO SHOW THE 11 EXPENDITURES TO DATE, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME 12 PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE AREAS, WE 13 HAVE CONTRACTORS ON BOARD. WE MAY NOT HAVE 14 ACTUALLY PAID THEM A CHECK YET, BUT WE DO HAVE 15 CONTRACTS ON BOARD FOR THE VISIBILITY, FOR THE 16 TERRESTRIAL, FOR THE EMISSIONS INVENTORY, SO 17 THERE'S A LOT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE COMMITTED 18 THERE. WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED THE CONTRACTS. WE 19 MAY NOT HAVE SENT THEM A CHECK YET, BUT THEY'RE 20 DEFINITELY ON BOARD. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 IT MAY BE HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE AN 23 ADDITIONAL COLUMN THAT INDICATES ENCUMBRANCES. 24 THAT WOULD GIVE A MORE ACCURATE PICTURE. 25 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 14 1 RIGHT. 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, DOUG, IN TERMS OF OUR 4 BUDGET, OUR FISCAL PICTURE WHERE WE STAND 5 TODAY, WE'RE MORE OR LESS ON TRACT AND WE 6 EXPECT TO SPEND THESE FUNDS IN THIS FISCAL 7 YEAR? 8 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 9 NO. WE WILL NOT EXPEND ALL OF THOSE IN THIS 10 FISCAL YEAR. SOME OF THOSE WILL DEFINITELY BE 11 SPENT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE SOME OF 12 THE PRODUCTS WON'T BE FINISHED UNTIL THE NEXT 13 FISCAL YEAR. AND SOME OF THE OUTLAYS, WE'LL 14 JUST ROLL OVER TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 AND IN TERMS OF OUR ARRANGEMENTS WITH EPA, 17 THERE'S NO PROBLEM -- 18 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 19 NO. 20 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 21 -- CARRYING THOSE MONIES FORWARD? 22 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 23 RIGHT. NONE WHATSOEVER. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 I THINK IT MIGHT -- WELL, I GUESS WE MAY NOT SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 15 1 HAVE ANOTHER OFFICIAL MEETING BEFORE THE END OF 2 THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE 3 DESIRABLE TO REVISE THIS BUDGET SO THAT IT 4 ACCURATELY REFLECTS OUR PROJECTED EXPENDITURES 5 AT WHATEVER POINT WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE. LESLIE 6 --- 7 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 8 I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. 9 THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH. THE 10 MONEY IS IN ABOUT FIFTEEN DIFFERENT PLACES. WE 11 WERE NOT AWARE OF HOW MUCH HAD BEEN ENCUMBERED 12 WITH THE CONTRACTS. WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT 13 TOGETHER WAS HOW MUCH TO DATE HAS BEEN SPENT. 14 AS WE MOVE THE MONEY INTO ONE POT, THE SAMI 15 POT, WE'LL HAVE MUCH BETTER ACCURATE COUNTS. 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT ON 18 EXPENDITURES? IF NOT, ANGELA, DID YOU HAVE A 19 SECOND DOCUMENT? 20 M_S_.__B_R_O_W_N_:_ 21 YES. THE SECOND PAGE JUST PUTS DOWN THE 22 EXPENSES. BASICALLY, IT'S THE SAME THING 23 THAT'S ON THE FIRST SHEET, BUT JUST IN A SINGLE 24 COLUMN. TOTAL THERE. AND THIS IS ROUNDED OFF 25 TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR. AND AS SAME AS THE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 16 1 PREVIOUS SHEET, THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT. 2 LIKE DOUG SAYS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE 3 SPENT SOON. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT 6 REPORT. WE'RE NOW GOING TO TURN THE SUBJECT OF 7 EMISSION MANAGEMENT OPTIONS. AS I THINK 8 EVERYONE HERE IS WELL AWARE, OUR WORK PLAN 9 CALLED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL OF SO- 10 CALLED SHORT TERM EMO'S. SHORT TERM REFERS TO 11 THE TIME PERIOD FOR ADOPTION, THAT IS, THAT 12 THEY WOULD BE APPROVED IN A SHORTER TIME 13 HORIZON BY US BECAUSE OF A VIEW THAT CERTAIN 14 OPTIONS WOULD NOT REQUIRE DETAILED STUDY AND 15 ANALYSIS. AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS AT 16 OUR LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS OF DEVELOPING AND -- 17 RECEIVING AND DEVELOPING, IMPROVING, AND 18 REFINING THIS PACKAGE OF TWELVE EMO'S. THE 19 GOVERNING BODY MET IN LATE APRIL IN RALEIGH AND 20 APPROVED THESE TWELVE EMO'S IN CONCEPT, AND I 21 SENT THEM BACK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF REFINEMENT 22 AND WORD SNIPPING AND FURTHER REVIEW, AND WE 23 NOW HAVE A PACKAGE FOR APPROVAL TODAY. WE HAVE 24 HARD COPIES OF THOSE IN THEIR LATEST VERSION 25 BEFORE THE GOVERNING BODY. THERE HAVE BEEN SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 17 1 SOME SLIGHT CHANGES SINCE THE VERSION THAT WAS 2 DISTRIBUTED AT THE OUTSET OF THE MEETING 3 THURSDAY, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL ON BROCK 4 NICHOLSON, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE POLICY 5 COMMITTEE, TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THESE TWELVE 6 EMO'S WITH YOU. 7 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 8 OKAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR THE FOLKS IN THE 9 AUDIENCE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PAPER COPIES OF 10 LAST NIGHT'S VERSION, BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN 11 FOLLOW ALONG ON THE SCREEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, 12 AND THIS IS A QUICK LIST OF THE TWELVE WHICH I 13 WILL IMMEDIATELY GET INTO. THE FIRST ONE, EMO 14 NUMBER 8, AS WE REFER TO IT, IS A MOBILE SOURCE 15 EMISSIONS REDUCTION POSSIBILITIES IN CLASS I 16 NATIONAL PARKS WITHIN THE SAMI REGION. AND 17 THERE IS A STRONG BELIEF THAT THERE IS A 18 POTENTIAL FOR MOBILE SOURCE EMISSION REDUCTIONS 19 BY VARIOUS MEANS DEALING WITH VEHICULAR 20 TRAFFIC. I'LL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE 21 SUBJECT AND THEN GO FOCUS, REALLY, ON THE 22 ACTION AND THE PRODUCT. IF THERE ARE ANY 23 QUESTIONS WE CAN SLOW IT UP. 24 SAMI REQUESTS THAT THE NATIONAL PARK 25 SERVICE COORDINATE A STUDY TEAM OF SAMI SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 18 1 PARTICIPANTS TO EXAMINE A FULL RANGE OF OPTIONS 2 AND STRATEGIES FOR REDUCING MOBILE SOURCE 3 EMISSIONS IN THE PARKS. THE STUDY TEAM WILL 4 PRESENT A REPORT TO THE GOVERNING BODY AT THE 5 SEMIANNUAL MEETING IN SPRING 1996 THAT INCLUDES 6 RECOMMENDATIONS, IF THERE ARE SOME, ON ANY 7 PARTICULAR MEASURES THAT COULD BE EMPLOYED OR 8 NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY. AND THESE SHOULD 9 BE BASED ON AVAILABLE DATA AND ANALYSES. THE 10 REPORT WOULD ALSO PRESENT THE FINANCIAL, 11 ENVIRONMENTAL, PRACTICAL, LEGAL ISSUES AND ANY 12 OTHER FINDINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE ARE RELEVANT 13 FOR THAT TOPIC AREA. IF YOU WISH, I'LL JUST 14 PROCEED ON THROUGH THEM UNLESS THERE ARE 15 QUESTIONS, OKAY? 16 THE SECOND ONE, EMO 88, EXAMINATION OF 17 VARIOUS GASOLINE FUEL FORMULATIONS AND 18 ALTERNATIVE FUELS IN THE SAMI REGION. 19 INITIALLY, THIS EMO WAS SUGGESTED AS A FAIRLY 20 LIMITED FUEL FORMULATION EMO DEALING WITH REID 21 VAPOR PRESSURE LIMITS WITHIN THE REGION, BUT 22 THE DISCUSSIONS QUICKLY SUGGESTED THAT IT OUGHT 23 TO BE EXPANDED TO OTHER FORMULATION OR EVEN 24 ALTERNATIVE FUEL OPTIONS WHICH MIGHT HAVE 25 BENEFITS FOR BOTH VOC AND NO REDUCTIONS. SAMI x SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 19 1 REQUESTS THAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE INITIATE AND 2 COORDINATE A MEETING OR MEETINGS BETWEEN THE 3 PETROLEUM INDUSTRY, STATE AGENCIES, EPA, AND 4 OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES TO EXAMINE THESE 5 ALTERNATIVE FORMULATIONS FOR GASOLINE. TO BE 6 INCLUDED IS REFORMULATED GASOLINE, LOWER RVP 7 FUELS, AND OTHER ALTERNATIVE FUELS THAT MIGHT 8 BE CONSIDERED IN THE AREA. AS A PRODUCT THE PC 9 IS TO PRESENT A WRITTEN REPORT ON THE OUTCOME 10 OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY AND 11 THESE OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES AT THE GOVERNING 12 BODY MEETING AT THE SEMIANNUAL MEETING IN THE 13 FALL. AND THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE AVAILABLE 14 DATA, ANALYSES, CONCLUSIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, 15 IF ANY, OR NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY. 16 OKAY, THIS THIRD ONE, EMO 12/25, WHICH 17 JUST REFLECTS THAT THESE WERE COMBINED FROM AN 18 EARLIER SET, ENDORSEMENT OF THE ENERGY STAR 19 PROGRAMS. EPA HAS PROMOTED VOLUNTARY ENERGY 20 STAR PROGRAMS SUCH AS GREEN LIGHTS, ENERGY STAR 21 COMPUTERS OR, I GUESS, NOW CALLED OFFICE 22 EQUIPMENT, AND ENERGY STAR BUILDINGS. AND THIS 23 INVOLVES IN THE BUILDINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, 24 OPTIMIZING A NUMBER OF THE -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE 25 HEATING-VENTILATION-AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 20 1 SAMI WILL ENDORSE AND PROMOTE PARTICIPATION IN 2 THE ENERGY STAR PROGRAM, THESE THREE 3 COMPONENTS. THE PAC OF SAMI WILL PREPARE A 4 PACKAGE OF ENERGY STAR PROGRAM LITERATURE AND 5 WILL DEVELOP A PLAN FOR OPTIMIZING ITS 6 DISTRIBUTION FOR CIRCULATION. YOU MIGHT NOTE 7 IN THE WRITE-UP THAT WE LISTED THAT THE DATE 8 AND/OR ACTION PLAN IS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE 9 PAC. I GUESS AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE LUCY TO ADD 10 IN THEIR PLAN FOR THIS ITEM. 11 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 12 I'LL TRY NOT TO LOSE ALL MY LITTLE PIECES OF 13 PAPER. WE BASICALLY -- IRA SILVERBERG HEADED 14 THIS COMMITTEE AND HE COMBINED 12, 25, AND 51 15 AND 52, WHICH IS THE -- IT'S SORT OF THE GREEN 16 LIGHTS ENERGY STAR PROGRAM. EPA HAS A FABULOUS 17 PROGRAM ON THIS AND WE HAVE THE -- WE WERE 18 LUCKY TO HAVE DONNIE ORLANDO (PHONETIC) WHO 19 HEADS THAT PROGRAM OUT OF WASHINGTON TO WORK 20 WITH US. AS A RESULT OF THAT PROGRAM, WE WOULD 21 LIKE TO ASK THE GOVERNING BODY TO GO AHEAD AND 22 ENDORSE THE ENERGY STAR PROGRAM. THERE IS AN 23 ENDORSING PROCEDURE THAT EPA WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 24 ANY OF THEIR SIGN-ONERS GO THROUGH. IT DOES 25 NOT IN ANY WAY ENTAIL ANY RESPONSIBILITY OTHER SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 21 1 THAN SAYING WE THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD 2 THING, EPA. WE ENCOURAGE AND WILL HELP SUPPORT 3 THIS AND SO ON. AND THAT SIGNING TAKES PLACE 4 JULY 21ST DOWN IN MIAMI. AND SO THE FIRST 5 ACTION WE'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT STEVE OR 6 HIS DESIGNEE SIGN ON AS AN ENDORSER OF THIS 7 PROGRAM AND THEN ATTEND THAT CEREMONY. SO THAT 8 WOULD COVER --- 9 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 10 ON THE ISSUE OF THIS FILL IN THE BLANK ON 11 ACTION BY THE PAC, I GATHER YOU'VE CONCLUDED 12 THESE ARE LONG-TERM ACTIVITIES? 13 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 14 YES. THEY ARE LONG-TERM ACTIVITIES. WE DON'T 15 PLAN TO RECREATE THE WHEEL ON THIS BECAUSE WHAT 16 WE ARE GOING TO DO IS WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH 17 EPA TO SEE HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH THEM IN 18 EXPANDING THEIR ABILITY TO ATTRACT MORE 19 COMPANIES, STATES, AND SO ON INTO THE PROGRAM. 20 ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO DO IS TO URGE 21 THE SAMI STATES, ALL OF YOU, TO ASSESS YOUR 22 CAPABILITIES WITHIN YOUR STATE TO HELP EXPAND 23 THE ENERGY STAR PROGRAM AND SO ON. AND YES, IT 24 IS LONG-RANGE, BUT WE HAVE SOME VERY -- WE 25 THINK THAT WE CAN, WORKING WITH EPA, CREATE A SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 22 1 VERY INTERESTING STRATEGY BETWEEN NOW AND THE 2 GOVERNING BODY MEETING. 3 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 4 SO WITH REGARD TO THE DATE AND ACTION HERE, 5 WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THE PAC 6 WILL REPORT BACK TO THE GOVERNING BODY ON A 7 PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTING THESE EMO'S AT THE NEXT 8 MEETING? 9 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 10 ABSOLUTELY. 11 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 12 THANK YOU. 13 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 14 AS LUCY INDICATED, THE NEXT ONE IS REALLY VERY 15 RELATED AND I'LL JUST BRIEFLY MENTION THAT. 16 AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH ENERGY CONSERVATION 17 WITHIN OFFICES AND BUILDINGS AND IN THE NATURE 18 OF EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE 19 OF TURNING OFF OFFICE LIGHTS, COMPUTERS, AND 20 EQUIPMENT WHEN NOT NECESSARY, AT LEAST TO THE 21 EXTENT THAT IT DOESN'T IMPAIR SAFETY OR 22 OPERATION. SAMI WILL PROMOTE PARTICIPATION, 23 PROMOTE EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC INDUSTRY ON 24 POSSIBLE MEASURES AND ASSOCIATED SAVINGS. 25 THE PAC OF SAMI WILL DEVELOP A MAIL-OUT OF SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 23 1 AVAILABLE DOCUMENTS THAT DESCRIBE ENERGY 2 CONSERVATION ACTIONS THAT BUILDING OWNERS CAN 3 TAKE, AND THIS PACKAGE WILL INCLUDE MATERIALS 4 THAT RELATE CONSERVATION TO POUNDS OF EMISSIONS 5 REMOVED. I THINK THE SCHEDULE AND SO FORTH WAS 6 JUST MENTIONED, THE PRIOR COVERAGE. 7 EMO 64 --- 8 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 9 BROCK --- 10 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 11 CERTAINLY. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 LUCY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? 14 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 15 NO. 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 LET ME ASK YOU IF YOU CAN PRESENT 64 AND 65 18 SOMEWHAT IN TANDEM SINCE THE ACTION -- 19 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 20 EXACTLY. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 -- ITEM IS RELATED AND IF YOU CAN GIVE US A 23 VERSION THAT IS SHORTER THAN READING ALL OF THE 24 TEXT ON THOSE TWO ITEMS, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 25 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 24 1 OKAY, CERTAINLY. I WILL FIRST DESCRIBE THE 2 INITIAL ASPECT OF IT SEPARATELY, BUT THEN THOSE 3 OF THE PRODUCT IS REALLY ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. 4 THE FIRST ONE IS REDUCTION OF LINE LOSSES, 5 ELECTRICITY GENERATION AND AIR EMISSIONS 6 THROUGH TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION UPGRADES. 7 THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR UTILITIES TO 8 MAKE VOLUNTARY COST EFFECTIVE INVESTMENTS IN 9 THEIR TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION UPGRADE 10 PROJECTS THAT WILL RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN 11 LINE LOSSES AND, THEREFORE, REDUCE THEIR 12 EMISSIONS. SAMI WILL DEVELOP AND DISTRIBUTE A 13 COMMUNICATION DOCUMENT TO UTILITIES WITHIN THE 14 SAMI REGION TO INITIATE A DIALOGUE -- THAT'S 15 THE KEY POINT HERE -- ON REDUCTION OF LINE 16 LOSSES AND OTHER ENERGY CONSERVATION AND 17 EFFICIENCY MEASURES. THE PRODUCT IS A 18 COMMUNICATION DOCUMENT, IF YOU WOULD, A LETTER 19 TO BE SENT TO THE CEO OF EACH UTILITY IN THE 20 SAMI REGION. THE DOCUMENT WILL SERVE AS AN 21 INITIAL HIGH-LEVEL CONTACT BETWEEN SAMI AND THE 22 UTILITIES FOR THE PURPOSES OF EXPLAINING AND 23 MAKING SURE THE UTILITIES UNDERSTAND THE GOALS 24 OF SAMI AND THE INTEREST IN THESE KINDS OF 25 MEASURES. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 25 1 AND LET ME JUST SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE AS 2 STEVE SUGGESTS BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING IT'S 3 IMPORTANT TO COMBINE THESE TWO BECAUSE THE 4 PRODUCT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, AND THAT HAS 5 TO DO WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY AUDITS. AND 6 ENERGY EFFICIENCY AUDITS CERTAINLY HAS A 7 POTENTIAL TO LOWER ENERGY COSTS AND LOWER AIR 8 EMISSIONS. BUT THEY CAN IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE 9 FACILITY OPERATIONS CAN BE DONE ON A MORE 10 ENERGY EFFICIENT MANNER AND MAY IN SOME AREA 11 CASES RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. 12 SAMI WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE UTILITY 13 INDUSTRY FOR THEIR USE OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY 14 AUDITS AND ENCOURAGE WIDER APPLICATION. WHAT 15 WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE SAME COMMUNICATIONS 16 PACKAGE. IF APPROPRIATE, THEY WOULD BE 17 COMBINED TOGETHER OR IF SEPARATE, ESSENTIALLY 18 THE SAME MECHANISM OF INTRODUCING THE DESIRES 19 OF SAMI TO THE UTILITIES AND COMMENCE THAT 20 DIALOG. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 THOSE TWO ITEMS ALSO HAVE A BLANK DATE. I 23 GUESS THERE'S SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER WE 24 NEED TO INVOLVE THE PAC IN THIS WITH A LATER 25 ITEM. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION YESTERDAY SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 26 1 ABOUT WHETHER THE POLICY COMMITTEE WAS THE MORE 2 APPROPRIATE FORUM OR WHETHER WE NEEDED TO 3 INVOLVE THE COMMITTEE AT ALL. IF IT'S A LETTER 4 FROM ME, WHETHER THAT COULD BE GENERATED BY 5 STAFF WITH APPROPRIATE CONSULTATION AND KIND OF 6 EXPEDITE THE PROCESS. 7 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 8 I THINK SO. 9 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 10 COULD I GET SOME RESPONSE ON THAT? 11 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 12 I BELIEVE SO. I THINK AS I INDICATED 13 YESTERDAY, WE HAVE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF 14 INFORMATION TO WORK WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP THIS 15 DRAFT FOR YOU AND IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO GO 16 THROUGH A LOT OF PROCESSES. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH YOU, LUCY? 19 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 20 ABSOLUTELY. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 WELL, THAT BEING THE CASE, I SEE NO REASON WHY 23 THIS CAN'T BE DONE BY SEPTEMBER FIRST. 24 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 25 OKAY. LET'S SEE, EMO 86 IS THE NEXT ONE. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 27 1 INCLUSION OF AIR QUALITY CONSIDERATIONS IN 2 LOCAL LAND USE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT OF LAND 3 USE PLANS WITH CONSIDERATION -- WE'VE GOT A 4 LITTLE REDUNDANCY IN THE TITLE THERE. I THINK 5 WE MAY HAVE TO DO A LITTLE EDITING. THE POINT 6 HERE IS FOR THOSE AGENCIES THAT DO PRACTICE 7 LAND USE PLANNING PRESENTLY, THE DESIRE IS THAT 8 WE MAKE KNOWN TO THOSE AGENCIES OUR SENSE OF 9 THE IMPORTANCE OF INCORPORATING IN THOSE PLANS 10 AIR QUALITY CONSIDERATIONS. AND SAMI 11 RECOMMENDS THAT LOCAL PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND 12 LOCALITIES THAT PRACTICE LAND USE PLANNING 13 DEVELOP PLANS WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AIR 14 QUALITY CONCERNS. THE PAC OF SAMI WILL DEVELOP 15 A SUMMARY INFORMATION DOCUMENT DESCRIBING 16 VARIOUS WAYS THAT COULD CONSIDER AIR QUALITY. 17 THE DOCUMENT WILL BE DEVELOPED AND DISTRIBUTED 18 BY -- LUCY? 19 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 20 THIS ONE IS A MUCH LONGER RANGE TYPE OF AN EMO, 21 AND AFTER CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION WE REALIZED 22 THAT WE NEEDED TO DO BASICALLY AN ASSESSMENT OF 23 THE INFORMATION OUT THERE TO GET A REALLY GOOD 24 CONCEPT. AND THEN AFTER WE COLLECT ENOUGH 25 INFORMATION ON WHAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE DOING, SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 28 1 BOTH STATE AND PRIVATE SECTOR, THEN WE COULD BE 2 IN A POSITION TO GENERATE LETTERS TO THE 3 PARTICULAR TARGETS. FRANKLY, THIS IS GOING TO 4 TAKE SOME RESEARCH, STEVE, AND WE'RE GOING TO 5 NEED TO FINISH THAT RESEARCH HOPEFULLY BY THE 6 NEXT SEMIANNUAL MEETING, SO --- 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 SO WE CAN EXPECT A REPORT -- 9 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 10 YES. 11 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 12 -- AT THAT TIME? 13 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 14 CORRECT. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 IS THIS EMO BEING EVALUATED AND IMPLEMENTED IN 17 CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEXT ONE ON THE TREE 18 PLANTING? 19 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 20 YES, IT IS. ABSOLUTELY. THE SAME THING GOES 21 FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. 22 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 23 LUCY, LET ME MENTION THAT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, 24 THAT BILL ACRE MAY BE ON THE PAC. LAND OF THE 25 SKY REGIONAL COUNSEL HAS BEEN DOING A STUDY ON SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 29 1 AIR QUALITY IN THE ASHEVILLE REGION. THAT 2 MIGHT BE A GOOD SOURCE TO TALK TO ABOUT THIS 3 EMO. 4 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 5 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEED ALL THAT KIND OF 6 REFERENCE. APPRECIATE IT. 7 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 8 MOVING ALONG TO 87, THEN, PLANTING AND 9 MAINTAINING TREES IN URBAN AND SUBURBAN AREAS. 10 I'LL JUST SKIP RIGHT TO THE ACTION HERE. 11 AGAIN, IT'S TO IMPLEMENT THIS EMO, SAMI WILL 12 SEND A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO THE VARIOUS 13 VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. 14 SAMI WOULD URGE ALL STATES WITHIN THE SAMI 15 REGION TO PROMOTE VOLUNTARY TREE PRESERVATION 16 AND PLANTING EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY IN URBAN AND 17 SUBURBAN AREAS. AGAIN, THE PAC OF SAMI WILL 18 DEVELOP THIS INFORMATION DOCUMENT FOR PUBLIC 19 USE WHICH CONTAINS BENEFIT AND COSTS FOR TREE 20 PLANTING AND MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS. AND THE 21 ACTION PLAN OF TIMING OF PRODUCT, AS YOU'VE 22 INDICATED, STEVE, WILL BE COMBINED WITH THE 23 PREVIOUS ONE. 24 OKAY, THE NEXT ONE, EMO 89. THE FEDERAL 25 LAND MANAGER AND PERMITTING AUTHORITY DIALOGUE. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 30 1 SAMI WILL ENCOURAGE AN ACTIVE DIALOGUE BETWEEN 2 PERMITTING AUTHORITIES IN THE SAMI REGION AND 3 AFFECTED FEDERAL LAND MANAGERS CONCERNING THE 4 PERMIT OF ANY NEW MAJOR EMITTING SOURCE OR 5 MAJOR MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING SOURCE. I 6 WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE SUGGESTED ACTIONS THAT 7 COULD BE TAKEN DURING THE DIALOGUE, BUT JUST 8 JUMP TO THE PRODUCT HERE. THE CHAIRMAN OF THE 9 SAMI GOVERNING BODY WILL DEVELOP A LETTER TO 10 PERMITTING AUTHORITIES WITHIN THE SAMI REGION 11 THAT REQUESTS THAT THEY ENGAGE IN AN ACTIVE 12 DIALOGUE WITH FEDERAL LAND MANAGERS AND 13 CONSIDER THE MEASURES OUTLINED ABOVE. AND, 14 LUCY, I THINK THERE IS ACTUALLY A DRAFT THAT'S 15 BEEN DONE? 16 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 17 WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE PAC HAD BEEN DELETED 18 FROM THIS, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WORKED ON IT 19 ANYWAY. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS A DRAFT LETTER 20 HAS ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED AT THIS MEETING TO 21 ASSIST YOU ON YOUR WAY AND ALSO THIS IS GOING 22 TO RESULT IN A FACT SHEET ON CLASS ONE AREAS, 23 SO YOU HAVE A SEPTEMBER 15TH DEADLINE ON THAT. 24 THE FACT SHEET AND THE LETTER SHOULD BE IN YOUR 25 HANDS BEFORE TOO LONG. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 31 1 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ 2 ONE COMMENT ON THE TREE PLANTING EMO. THERE IS 3 A PROGRAM CALLED COOL COMMUNITIES, AND ATLANTA 4 IS ONE OF THE TEST SITES AND WE'RE ACTIVELY 5 PARTICIPATING IN THAT, SO IF YOU NEED ANY HELP 6 GETTING SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER --- 7 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 8 EMO 72, ENVIRONMENTAL ENTERPRISE TEAMS, 9 POLLUTION PREVENTION ASSISTANCE. AN 10 ENVIRONMENTAL ENTERPRISE TEAM IS A SMALL GROUP 11 OF EXPERTS, NORMALLY WITHIN THE STATE 12 GOVERNMENT, WHO PROMOTE TECHNICAL SUPPORT 13 SERVICES, PRODUCT AND VENDOR INFORMATION, 14 INFORMATION ON FINANCING OPTIONS TO BUSINESSES, 15 AND INFORMATION ON ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS OF 16 SPECIAL CONCERN TO THE STATE. THIS CAN BE BOTH 17 NEW AND EXISTING INDUSTRY WITHIN THE STATE. 18 SAMI RECOMMENDS THAT EACH MEMBER STATE EVALUATE 19 THE FORMATION OF A GROUP IN STATE GOVERNMENT, 20 THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENTERPRISE TEAM, TO PROMOTE 21 POLLUTION PREVENTION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN 22 BUSINESSES THAT RELOCATE TO OR EXIST WITHIN THE 23 STATE, AT LEAST TO THE EXTENT THAT THESE, 24 PERHAPS, HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN DONE. AS FAR AS 25 THE PRODUCT, THE PAC OF SAMI WILL PREPARE A SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 32 1 STATUS REPORT FOR THE SAMI REGION DESCRIBING 2 THE EXISTENCE AND NATURE OF ENVIRONMENTAL 3 ENTERPRISE TEAMS. A LETTER WILL BE DEVELOPED 4 FOR THE GOVERNING BODY OF SAMI THAT WILL BE 5 SENT TO STATES WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ENTERPRISE 6 TEAMS RECOMMENDING EACH STATE EVALUATE THE 7 FORMATION OF SUCH A GROUP IN THEIR STATE 8 GOVERNMENT. LUCY? 9 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 10 WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO REALLY EXPLORE 11 THIS ONE AND WE WILL BE EXPLORING THIS ONE IN 12 SEPTEMBER. OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF MY FIRST STOPS 13 WILL BE BOB KERSHAW TO GET SOME FEELING FROM 14 HIM AS PART OF THE RESEARCH. BUT I'M ASSUMING 15 THAT THIS, TOO, WILL BE AN ASSESSMENT RESEARCH, 16 WHAT IS OUT THERE KIND OF THING. AND I THINK 17 IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY BY THE SAMI ANNUAL 18 MEETING WE COULD CERTAINLY COME UP WITH 19 SOMETHING. WE JUST HAVEN'T FOCUSSED ON IT AT 20 THIS TIME. 21 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 22 I WANT TO CLEAR IT AS THE FALL MEETING. 23 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 24 FALL MEETING, YES. 25 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 33 1 THE NEXT EMO, PROMOTING ENERGY EFFICIENCY WITH 2 THE PUBLIC, AND IT'S A STRING OF EMO'S THERE, 3 AS YOU CAN SEE. PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN 4 ENERGY CONSERVATION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY 5 PROVIDE INFORMATION TO HELP CITIZENS TO MAKE 6 INFORMED CHOICES WHICH CAN ULTIMATELY AFFECT 7 AIR QUALITY. 8 SAMI WILL SUPPORT PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAMS 9 IN ENERGY CONSERVATION AND EFFICIENCY. SAMI 10 WILL COLLECT INFORMATION ON EXISTING ENERGY 11 EFFICIENCY ACTIVITIES AND USE THESE AS 12 APPROPRIATE INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS, 13 PRESENTATIONS, ETCETERA. I THINK WHAT I'LL DO 14 SINCE THE NEXT ONE IS ON LINE HERE IS GO AHEAD 15 AND SKIP TO IT WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND THEN 16 WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE PRODUCT AT ONE TIME. 17 AND THE NEXT ONE IS PROMOTING ENERGY 18 EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION WITH PRIVATE AND 19 PUBLIC DECISION MAKERS. AGAIN, EDUCATION 20 PROGRAMS AND ENERGY CONSERVATION AND ENERGY 21 EFFICIENCY PROVIDE INFORMATION TO HELP THE 22 INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS AND PUBLIC DECISION 23 MAKERS TO MAKE INFORMED CHOICES THAT CAN 24 ULTIMATELY AFFECT AIR QUALITY. EXAMPLES OF 25 THESE MIGHT BE VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS TO INCLUDE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 34 1 EMPLOYER SUBSIDIES OF WORKERS WHO USE MASS 2 TRANSIT, EXAMPLE, THE FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT'S IN 3 EXISTENCE NOW AND PART OF THE ISTEA PROGRAM, 4 REDUCING MILES TRAVELED TO THE JOB OR RIDERSHIP 5 AND SO FORTH. A REPORT WILL BE SENT TO ENERGY 6 PRODUCERS AND ENERGY CONSUMERS. THE PAC OF 7 SAMI WILL GATHER THE APPROPRIATE EXISTING 8 INFORMATION FOR INCLUSION IN A PACKAGE OF 9 INFORMATION TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO PRIVATE, THAT 10 IS, INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS, PUBLIC DECISION 11 MAKERS AND PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS WITHIN THE 12 SAMI REGION. MIGHT COVER BOTH ITEMS HERE. 13 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 14 OKAY. LET ME JUST DEAL WITH THIS ONE FIRST AND 15 SAY WE DIDN'T GET, AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR 16 EMO, WE WERE SHORTHANDED BECAUSE OF FINISHING 17 THE FACT SHEET. HOWEVER, THE PREVIOUS ONE 18 ATTRACTED INCREDIBLE ATTENTION AND A NEW MEMBER 19 OF THE PAC. WE HAVE NOW A COMMITTEE OF EIGHT 20 PEOPLE, SELF-SELECTED ALMOST, WHO ARE VERY, 21 VERY INTERESTED AND WANT TO REALLY DELVE INTO 22 THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE OUTREACH, 23 PARTICULARLY FOCUSSING ON SCHOOL CHILDREN. 24 NOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A HIGH-TICKET ITEM. 25 THERE IS NO PLAN, NO COST ABILITY TO REALLY BE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 35 1 ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS, SO IF AND WHEN THE 2 FUNDING COMES IN OR WE FIND FUNDING FOR THIS, 3 WE WILL BE ABLE TO, I THINK, IMPLEMENT A VERY 4 EXCITING PROGRAM. BUT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A 5 YEAR AND A HALF TO ORGANIZE, GIVEN FUNDING, AND 6 PUT TOGETHER AND START TO IMPLEMENT. BUT I 7 THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A GREAT DEAL OF 8 INTEREST FROM EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD ON 9 THIS ONE. SO OUR EYES ALL GLOW AT THIS ONE AND 10 GIVE THIS ONE A REAL STAR. 11 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 12 LUCY, IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE LAST EMO, THE 13 ONE TO THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC DECISION MAKERS 14 WOULD PROBABLY BE A BY-PRODUCT, IN A SENSE A 15 BY-PRODUCT -- 16 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 17 YES. RIGHT. 18 M_R_.__N_I_C_H_O_L_S_O_N_:_ 19 -- OR A SPIN-OFF OR FOLLOW-ON TO THIS -- THE 20 PRODUCT OF THIS? THAT'S THE TWELVE. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 GOOD. THANK YOU, BROCK, BOTH FOR THAT REPORT 23 AND FOR YOUR WORK IN SERVING AS OUR SCRIBE TO 24 GET THESE EMO'S IN THIS FORM FOR OUR 25 CONSIDERATION. AT THIS TIME I THINK A MOTION SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 36 1 ON THIS SUBJECT MAY BE IN ORDER. 2 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 3 AS CHAIR COULD I ASK A QUESTION? 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 YES. YES, GO AHEAD AND ASK. TOM, DO YOU MIND 6 IF I JUST GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? 7 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 8 SURE. 9 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 10 MS. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT 11 THIS ENTIRE PACKAGE OF EMO'S WITH THE 12 UNDERSTANDING THAT AS DATES AND SCHEDULES ARE 13 DEVELOPED BY THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES THAT 14 THOSE WILL BE ADDED TO THE EMO. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 IS THERE A SECOND? 17 M_R_.__J_O_Y_:_ 18 SECOND. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 WE NOW HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TOM 21 HOPKINS? 22 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 23 WELL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. IN TERMS OF EMO 24 NUMBER EIGHT, ONE OF THE REQUESTS HERE FOR THE 25 STUDY BY A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, BOB, I WOULD SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 37 1 LIKE TO COMMEND YOU. I WAS UNABLE, OF COURSE, 2 TO GET HERE UNTIL LAST EVENING. I'D LIKE TO 3 COMMEND YOU AND HAROLD AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF 4 THE GOVERNING BODY FOR A JOB WELL DONE. THE 5 EMO NUMBER EIGHT, IN THE PRODUCT SECTION, THE 6 REPORT SHOULD ALSO PRESENT THE FINANCIAL, 7 ENVIRONMENTAL, PRACTICAL, ETCETERA, WILL THERE 8 BE -- OR ARE WE ASKING HERE IS THEIR INTENT 9 THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE INDICATE IN 10 SOME, HOPEFULLY, QUANTIFIABLE WAY WHAT BENEFIT 11 WILL BE RECEIVED BY THIS EMO? BECAUSE, 12 FRANKLY, I THINK MOBILE EMISSIONS -- I MEAN 13 IT'S ALL SPECULATION, BUT I WOULD SPECULATE 14 THAT THERE'S ALMOST NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT FROM 15 MOBILE SOURCES IN NATIONAL PARKS. AND MY 16 QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE 17 FUNDS EXPENDED TO IN SOME WAY CONTROL MOBILE 18 EMISSIONS IN NATIONAL PARKS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO 19 IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL BENEFIT THAT IS BEING 20 ACHIEVED. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 WELL, LET ME TAKE A SHOT AT ANSWERING YOUR 23 QUESTION AND THEN OTHERS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF 24 THE AUDIENCE, MAY HAVE A RESPONSE. BUT MY 25 UNDERSTANDING OF THIS EMO IS THAT ONCE THIS SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 38 1 STUDY IS DONE, ANY CONCEPT OR ANY SPECIFIC 2 PROPOSAL REGARDING MOBILE SOURCE CONTROLS IN 3 THE PARKS WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO ANALYSIS 4 THROUGH THE INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT. SO THAT 5 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT THIS STATE OF THE 6 PROCESS IS JUST DEFINE THESE PROPOSALS MORE 7 SPECIFICALLY SO YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING TO 8 EVALUATE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SHUTTLE BUSES? 9 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF 10 PARKING LOT CONFIGURATIONS? BUT RIGHT NOW THIS 11 HAS BEEN AN AMORPHIAS SORT OF THING, SO MY 12 EXPECTATION IS THAT SAMI WOULD NOT BE ASKED TO 13 ENDORSE ANY SPECIFIC STRATEGY ON MOBILE SOURCES 14 IN THE PARKS UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN -- BOTH THE 15 ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AND THE COSTS HAVE BEEN 16 EVALUATED AS PART OF THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT. 17 ANYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THAT, SPEAK UP. 18 DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION? 19 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 20 YES, SIR. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? 23 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 24 SURE. AS A PART OF EMO 12/25, YOU MENTIONED -- 25 I BELIEVE BROCK OR SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT A SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 39 1 MEETING IN MIAMI FOR A SIGNING OF SOME 2 DOCUMENTATION OF EPA? IS THAT, INDEED, PART OF 3 THE MOTION? IS SO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY 4 THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IF IT ISN'T, 5 I'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION 6 FOR APPROVAL, TO BE A PART OF THAT SIGNING. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 OKAY. HAROLD, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT AS AN 9 AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION --- 10 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 11 CERTAINLY. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 THAT EMO 12/25 INCLUDE SAMI JOINING WITH BURGER 14 KING AND HILTON HOTELS AND OTHERS IN FORMALLY 15 ENDORSING THIS PROGRAM IN JULY? ALL RIGHT. 16 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 17 OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD HAD TO DO 18 WITH EMO 89 AND I JUST RAISE THIS AS A POINT OF 19 INFORMATION. I THINK IF YOU LOOK IN THE VERY 20 PURPOSE OF THE REPORT, WE TALK ABOUT EMO'S THAT 21 HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE EMISSIONS AND 22 DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF DIALOGUE THAT MAY 23 RESULT BETWEEN THE FLM'S AND OTHERS, THERE MAY 24 BE A LOT OF EMISSIONS THAT ARE REDUCED, BUT I'M 25 STILL SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT THIS IS REALLY SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 40 1 NOT AN EMO IN A TRUE SENSE. IT'S A POLICY 2 STATEMENT MORE THAN IT IS AN EMO AND I JUST 3 RAISE THAT FOR A POINT OF DISCUSSION. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT IS NOT AN EMO 6 PERHAPS IN THE MOST TECHNICAL SENSE, BUT I 7 DON'T KNOW IF YOUR COMMENT IS A SUGGESTION OF 8 ANY PARTICULAR COURSE OF ACTION. I THINK IT'S 9 DULY NOTED. 10 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 11 I THINK IT SHOULD BE DULY NOTED. IF I WERE 12 READING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK THE 13 OTHERS REALLY DO CARRY WITH THEM SOME THOUGHTS 14 ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED AND 15 I'M NOT SURE THIS FITS THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE 16 OTHER EMO'S. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT. 17 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 18 STEVE, I HAVE A COMMENT ON EMO NUMBER 88. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, IS THERE ANY -- JOE, ARE 21 YOU SUGGESTING ANY ACTION OR MODIFICATION TO 22 THE MOTION? 23 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 24 NO. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 41 1 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DAVID? 2 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 3 I'M NOT EVEN DISAGREEING WITH THE EMO. I'M 4 SAYING THAT THESE OTHER THINGS ARE SPECIFIC. 5 M_S_.__A_N_D_R_E_W_S_:_ 6 STEVE, I'D LIKE TO CONCUR WITH THAT STATEMENT. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 DAVID? 9 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 10 THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, I THINK, ON THE 11 POLICIES OF ANY MOBILE SOURCE WORK GROUP ABOUT 12 THIS EMO, AND TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT 13 WASN'T LIMITED NECESSARILY TO JUST GASOLINE, 14 BUT OTHER FUELS AS WELL, SO I WOULD SUGGEST AN 15 EDIT THAT ELIMINATES GASOLINE AND JUST REFERS 16 TO FUEL FORMULATIONS AND ALTERNATIVE FUELS. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 THAT WOULD INVOLVED AMENDING THE TITLE TO 19 DELETE THE WORD GASOLINE AND --- 20 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 21 THE ACTION ITEM, PARTIES TO EXAMINE ISSUES OF 22 FUEL ALTERNATIVES. 23 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 24 FUEL ALTERNATIVES? 25 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 42 1 RIGHT. 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THAT POLICY COMMITTEE 4 RAISED THAT ISSUE IN PART TO INSURE THAT 5 ALTERNATIVE DIESEL FORMULATIONS WOULD BE 6 EXAMINED AS WELL? I THINK THE PETROLEUM 7 INDUSTRY MAY HAVE BROUGHT THAT ISSUE UP. 8 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 9 THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 10 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 11 HAROLD? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? 12 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 13 DOES IT TAKE OUT ANY REFERENCES TO GASOLINE? 14 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 15 AND THEREBY BROADEN IT SO THAT THE DISCUSSIONS 16 WOULD INCLUDE BOTH GASOLINE AND DIESEL 17 ALTERNATIVES. 18 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 19 THAT'S FINE. 20 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 21 IT'S JUST THOSE TWO REFERENCES YOU MENTIONED, 22 STEVE, THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT, I THINK. 23 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 24 I'LL ACCEPT THAT. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 43 1 IS THAT AGREEABLE TO THE SECOND? 2 M_R_.__J_O_Y_:_ 3 I SECOND. I THINK I WILL ACCEPT IT. I'D LIKE 4 TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION. THIS 5 ORIGINALLY STARTED AS RVP AND THEN WE WANTED TO 6 EXPAND IT. I THINK THE MAIN INTENT IS TO LOOK 7 AT ALTERNATIVE FUEL AS RELATES TO THE 8 AUTOMOBILE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW 9 AND MOBILE SOURCE EMISSIONS. ONE OF THE 10 CONCERNS I HAVE IS IF WE START CONTINUING TO 11 EXPAND THE DIALOGUE ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT 12 ALTERNATIVES AND ALTERNATIVE FUELS, WE ARE ALSO 13 GOING TO EXTEND THE TIME FRAME FOR ASSESSING 14 THIS EMO STRATEGY. I THINK WE CAN STILL HAVE 15 AN AMBITIOUS REPORT IN THE FALL MEETING, BUT AS 16 WE CONTINUE TO LAYER ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF 17 FUELS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT MAKES THE 18 TASK MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT ORIGINALLY STARTED. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DEBATE? 21 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 22 SORRY, ONE BRIEF ONE ABOUT THE MIAMI PRESS 23 CONFERENCE ON ENERGY STAR. ONE TAB AFTER THAT 24 MIGHT BE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, CERTAINLY 25 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING PRESS, SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 44 1 NOT JUST IN MIAMI, BUT IN OUR REGION. I'M 2 CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING IN MIAMI AS OPPOSED TO 3 BEING IN THIS REGION. SO I HOPE THAT'S 4 ACCOMPANIED BY A THOUGHT OF MAKING SURE IT GETS 5 GOOD PLAY AND SAMI GETS GOOD PLAY HERE IN THE 6 REGION. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 I SEE LUCY NODDING HER HEAD. BRIAN? 9 M_R_.__M_O_R_T_O_N_:_ 10 THANK YOU. 11 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 12 JUST FOR THE RECORD, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. 13 M_R_.__M_O_R_T_O_N_:_ 14 YEAH. THIS IS BRIAN MORTON WITH THE 15 ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND. I WANTED TO ASK 16 YOU A QUESTION, STEVE, REGARDING THE COMMENT 17 YOU MADE ABOUT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICES 18 MOBILE SOURCES EMO. THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAD 19 FROM YOU WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE INVOLVEMENT OF 20 THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IN ANALYSIS 21 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, POTENTIAL 22 ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, FOR THIS EMO. WERE YOU 23 INTENDING TO SUGGEST THAT ANY IMPLEMENTATION OF 24 THE CHANGES THAT ARE WITHIN THE PARK SERVICES 25 AUTHORITY TO ENACT SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THAT SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 45 1 ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN DONE? 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 NO, I DON'T THINK THAT SAMI CAN OR SHOULD 4 ATTEMPT TO TELL THE PARK SERVICE HOW TO DO ITS 5 BUSINESS IF IT HAS IDEAS ABOUT WAYS TO IMPROVE 6 THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PARKS. BUT PRIOR TO THE 7 TIME THAT SAMI WOULD AFFIRMATIVELY ENDORSE A 8 SET OF STRATEGIES THAT MIGHT HAVE SIGNIFICANT 9 COSTS OR IMPACTS ON THE PUBLIC, I THINK WE 10 WOULD WANT TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE 11 SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS ASSOCIATED 12 WITH THOSE MEASURES. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS 13 NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 14 THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. 15 C_O_M_M_I_T_T_E_E_:_ 16 AYE. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 OPPOSED, NO? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY 19 MUCH, AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE POLICY 20 COMMITTEE AND ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED 21 IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE EMO'S. IT HAS 22 BEEN, I KNOW, A LOT OF HARD WORK AND A LABOR OF 23 LOVE, AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS 24 ON OUR BEHALF AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING 25 INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF THESE EMO'S SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 46 1 WHILE WE CONTINUE WITH THE ONGOING WORK, THE 2 LONGER TERM ASSESSMENT. I'D NOW LIKE TO CALL 3 ON ALAN KLIMEK FOR A REPORT CONCERNING OUR 4 LONG-TERM BUDGET AND TIME LINES. 5 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 6 MR. CHAIRMAN? 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 YES? 9 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 10 BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I THINK WE -- IT SEEMS THAT 11 THE REMAINDER OF THE AGENDA DEALS WITH NON- 12 POLICY TYPE THINGS AND I HAD A REQUEST I'D LIKE 13 TO MAKE OF THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. 14 AND THAT IS, I THINK YOU ARE AWARE IN 1980 THE 15 CONGRESS FUNDED A STUDY OF THE IMPACTS OF ACID 16 RAIN. OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS THE TAXPAYERS 17 SPENT HALF A BILLION DOLLARS ON THIS STUDY, 18 WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS THE NATIONAL ACID 19 PRECIPITATION ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. FIVE HUNDRED 20 MILLION DOLLARS EXPENDED OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD 21 STUDYING THE IMPACT OF ACID RAIN. I WOULD LIKE 22 FOR THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, IF THEY 23 HAVE NOT DONE SO, TO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT IN 24 LIGHT OF THE MISSION OF THE SOUTHERN MOUNTAINS 25 INITIATIVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SCIENTIFIC SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 47 1 RESEARCH IN THAT AREA. I WANT TO ALSO TELL 2 YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE WILL PROBABLY BE 3 HAVING AS AN ACTING MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING 4 BOARD, OR WHATEVER IS APPOINTED BY THE 5 SECRETARY, A RESPECTED SCIENTIST FROM THE 6 COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, A PROFESSOR AT THE 7 UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, WHO WILL PROBABLY BE 8 SITTING ON THE GOVERNING BOARD IN MY ABSENCE 9 AND THE ABSENCE OF THE SECRETARY, AND I THINK 10 HE WILL MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE 11 TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, PARTICULARLY AS RELATES TO 12 THE GOVERNING BOARD ITSELF. THANK YOU. 13 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 14 THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT AND, DOUG NEELEY, I 15 DON'T KNOW IF ANY RESPONSE IS NECESSARY. I 16 TRUST THAT YOUR COMMITTEE IS MAKING FULL USE OF 17 THE NAPAP RESEARCH AS IT DESIGNS ITS WORK ON 18 THE ACID DEPOSITION PART OF OUR PROGRAM? 19 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 20 YES. AND EVEN SOME OF THE SCIENTISTS THAT ARE 21 ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES WORKED ON NAPAP, TOO, 22 YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, SO YES, THAT 23 IS JUST ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE USED. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 AND TO HELP SET TOM'S MIND AT EASE, I AM SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 48 1 CONFIDENT THAT IT IS THE CASE THAT WE ARE NOT 2 REINVENTING THE WHEEL OR REPLOWING THE 3 TERRITORY COVERED BY NAPAP. 4 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 5 OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY ORIGINAL 6 RESEARCH. WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE 7 INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT'S OUT THERE. 8 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 9 GOOD. VINEY ANEJA HAS SOME FAMILIARITY WITH 10 THE NAPAP PROGRAM AND MAY HAVE A COMMENT ON 11 THAT. 12 M_R_.__A_N_E_J_A_:_ 13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M VINEY ANEJA FROM 14 NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY. I WAS ONE OF 15 THE PEOPLE THAT WAS FUNDED BY THE NAPAP 16 PROGRAM. INDEED, THE WAY THE FOUR SUBGROUPS IN 17 THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE THAT ARE 18 CURRENTLY BEING FUNDED VIS-A-VIS THE EFFECTS OF 19 ACIDIC DEPOSITION ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE 20 INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY NAPAP AND 21 TRY TO SUMMARIZE AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SOUTHERN 22 APPALACHIA. SO THE PURPOSE OF THEIR WORK 23 INITIALLY IS TO, INDEED, SUMMARIZE IT, WHAT HAS 24 BEEN LEARNED FROM NAPAP, AND ONLY THEN WILL WE 25 GO FORWARD IF ANY ADDITIONAL WORK NEEDS TO BE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 49 1 DONE. THAT INCLUDES THE ROLE OF OZONE, ACIDIC 2 DEPOSITION, AQUATIC SYSTEMS, ACIDIC DEPOSITION 3 ON STRESSED LEGAL SYSTEMS AND VISIBILITY. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALAN? 6 M_R_.__K_L_I_M_E_K_:_ 7 IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT UP. THE 8 OPERATING COMMITTEE RECEIVED INPUT FROM ALL OF 9 THE STANDING COMMITTEES AND BASICALLY WE'VE 10 DECIDED THAT THE EXISTING FIVE-MILLION-DOLLAR 11 MULTI-YEAR BUDGET THAT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED IN 12 SEVERAL DIFFERENT FASHIONS TO ALL THE MEMBERS 13 IS OUR BEST PREDICTION. HERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN 14 BY TOC, PC, AND PAC. WE GOT INPUT FROM ALL OF 15 THEM. AND MAYBE DOUG WILL WANT TO MAKE A 16 COMMENT OR TWO HERE ABOUT THE TOC. THERE MIGHT 17 BE SOME SHIFTING AMONG SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN 18 THE TOC, BUT BASICALLY, PEOPLE ARE FEELING THAT 19 ROUGHLY THIS FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IS THE BEST 20 THAT WE CAN PREDICT AT THIS TIME. CLEARLY, WE 21 COULD SPEND MORE MONEY IN SOME AREAS. THE 22 GREEN IS SHOWN BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'VE GOT A 23 MILLION DOLLARS IN '95, WE SHIFTED SOME OF THE 24 ORIGINAL REQUESTS INTO '96. THAT GIVES US 25 NEEDING A THREE-MILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET IN '96 SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 50 1 AND ANOTHER MILLION IN '97. AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2 THE NOTES, AS FAR AS -- WE HAVE THE MONEY IN 3 GREEN. WE BASICALLY HAVE THE MILLION DOLLARS, 4 BUT THE FUTURE RESOURCES WERE REALLY ON A 5 GUARANTEE KIND OF OF ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND 6 TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND EACH YEAR FROM EPA, SO 7 COMMITTEES ARE PRIORITIZING THEIR TASKS. I 8 THINK THE TWO AREAS THAT MIGHT WANT ADDITIONAL 9 FUNDS OR NEED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS MORE THAN 10 OTHERS -- I THINK ALL OF THEM HAD SOME 11 INDICATION -- WAS MODELING AND THE PAC, AND I 12 DON'T KNOW IF EITHER OF THESE GROUPS WOULD LIKE 13 TO COMMENT OR WE JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. 14 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 15 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IF THE REVISED 16 FIGURE FOR THE PAC REFLECTS THE ADDITIONAL 17 RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE THRUST UPON THEM? 18 LUCY IS SHAKING HER HEAD THE WRONG WAY. 19 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 20 THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, STEVEN. WE WERE NOT 21 ABLE TO, IN THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION OF EMO'S, 22 COME UP WITH DOLLAR FIGURES. BUT THE ANSWER IS 23 DEFINITELY NO, PARTICULARLY IN THE EDUCATIONAL 24 AREAS. THERE'S NO WAY UNDER CURRENT -- I WOULD 25 LIKE TO SUGGEST WE GO BACK, GIVEN FUNDING SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 51 1 AVAILABILITY AND SO ON, AND REALLY LOOK AT A 2 DEDICATED STAFF PERSON THAT WE'RE GOING TO 3 NEED. WE'RE GOING TO NEED A MUCH EXPANDED 4 BUDGET TO DO ANY KIND OF JOB. I AM ASSUMING 5 THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE EMO'S THAT COME OUR 6 WAY, SO THE ANSWER IS NO. 7 M_R_.__K_L_I_M_E_K_:_ 8 I GUESS I SHOULD ADD THAT JOHN WALTON BROUGHT 9 UP ABOUT WHETHER STATES ARE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE 10 AGAIN, AND THERE WAS KIND OF A CONSENSUS OF 11 FIVE STATES THAT WERE AT A MEETING THIS MORNING 12 THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE TRYING TO COME UP 13 WITH TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH. IT WASN'T A 14 COMMITMENT, BUT IT WAS SORT OF AN INDICATION, 15 SO THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, 16 WE NEED SOME FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL RESOURCES. THE 17 SECOND SLIDE HAS TO DO WITH THE SCHEDULE. I 18 PICKED FOUR KIND OF KEY ITEMS, DESIGN OF THE 19 INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT FRAMEWORK, THEN YOU HAVE 20 TO COMPLETE IT, THEN WE WERE GOING TO USE IT TO 21 ASSESS THE 1990 CLEAN AIR ACT AMENDMENTS, AND 22 THEN ASSESS THE EMO'S. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE 23 ORIGINALLY HAD HOPED TO HAVE COMPLETED THE 24 DESIGN OF THE FRAMEWORK BY THIS TIME SO THAT ON 25 A FIRST BLUSH, YOU'D SAY WE'RE ROUGHLY SIX SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 52 1 MONTHS BEHIND SCHEDULE. WHEN WE TALKED TO SOME 2 OF THE GROUPS, THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO REALLY 3 HAMMER IN ON EXACTLY HOW FAR WE ARE BEHIND 4 SCHEDULE. PERHAPS SOME OF THAT TIME CAN BE 5 MADE UP. IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THE CONSENSUS 6 BUILDING THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH DOES TAKE 7 A BIT MORE TIME THAN PROBABLY WAS ORIGINALLY 8 ENVISIONED. HOWEVER, THERE IS A TWO -- THIS 9 WORKSHOP ON THE INTEGRATED ASSESSMENT FRAMEWORK 10 SHOULD HELP QUITE A BIT ON FOCUSSING IN ON 11 THAT, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS JIM JOY THAT 12 SUGGESTED PERHAPS TO HAVE A BETTER WRITING OF 13 THIS SCHEDULE, THAT THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE 14 CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR JOIN MONTHLY CONFERENCE 15 CALLS OF ALL THE COMMITTEES, WHICH, I THINK, 16 HAVE KIND OF DROPPED BY THE WAYSIDE HERE 17 LATELY. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO PICK THOSE UP AND 18 JUST SORT OF KIND OF RIDE THIS SCHEDULE A 19 LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO I'D SAY WE HAVE FROM SIX 20 MONTHS TO HOWEVER MUCH WE CAN MAKE UP OF THAT, 21 PLUS OBVIOUS FUTURE DELAYS. AND THAT'S 22 BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE. AND THAT'S MY REPORT. 23 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 24 BOB? 25 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 53 1 IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT 2 WE'RE LOOKING AT WILL CHANGE THE NUMBERS. IT 3 MAY CHANGE THE CATEGORIES. WE HAVE, IN THE -- 4 IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE, PLEASE, 5 LESLIE? ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS SET UP AS EMO 6 ASSESSMENTS. PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE 7 ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, AND THAT WILL GO INTO 8 TWO CATEGORIES. IT WILL GO INTO EITHER A 9 CONTRACTOR OR A STAFF PERSON AND SOME DEGREE OF 10 A STAFF PERSON'S TIME, AND ALSO FACILITATION 11 RESOURCES THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT ASSESSMENT 12 PROCESS. SO I WILL TALK TO THE NECESSARY FOLKS 13 ABOUT HOW WE REALLOCATE THAT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE 14 OF OUR NEEDS ON ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? 17 WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION IN OUR FALL MEETING 18 TO MAKE SOME MORE COMPLETE DETERMINATION OF 19 WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TIME LINE. I GUESS WE'LL 20 KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FUNDING SITUATION AS WELL, 21 BUT ASSUMING WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE THAT 22 FAVORABLY, I GATHER WE'RE STILL NOT AT THE 23 POINT TO MAKE A DEFINITIVE DECISION ABOUT 24 WHETHER THE SCHEDULE IS GOING TO SLIP? 25 M_R_.__K_L_I_M_E_K_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 54 1 THAT'S RIGHT. IS DOUG STILL HERE? DO YOU WANT 2 TO -- WE'VE RELIED HEAVILY ON THE 3 POC --- 4 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 5 I WAS TRYING TO STAY QUIET. THE REASON WE 6 WEREN'T COMFORTABLE IN SAYING -- REVISING THIS 7 SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, AS PART OF THE INTEGRATED 8 ASSESSMENT FRAMEWORK CONTRACT, WE HAVE ASKED 9 THEM TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OF THE SCHEDULE AND 10 A BUDGET FOR A LOW BUDGET, A MEDIUM BUDGET, AND 11 A HIGH BUDGET, AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT 12 WORKSHOP, GET THAT INPUT, LOOK AT THE REPORT, 13 AND THEN COME BACK AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF 14 SCHEDULE WE WERE LOOKING AT. WE ARE A LITTLE 15 BEHIND. I MEAN THAT'S OBVIOUS. 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 WELL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY GOOD APPROACH AND 18 WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU IN THE 19 FALL. ALL RIGHT, I'M NOW GOING TO CALL ON 20 HAROLD REHEIS TO GIVE US THE REPORT ON FUNDING 21 STRATEGY APPROPRIATELY ENOUGH. 22 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 23 NOT A WHOLE LOT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR. BOB KERR 24 AND I WENT TO WASHINGTON ABOUT THREE AND A HALF 25 WEEKS AGO AND MET WITH ROB HOOD, WHO ALL OF YOU SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 55 1 HEARD HERE AS OUR SPEAKER BEFORE LUNCH 2 YESTERDAY, AND MADE SURE THAT ROB KNEW WHAT 3 SAMI WAS ABOUT, UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF SAMI 4 AND OUR NEED FOR FUNDING FROM CONGRESS. AND I 5 THINK ROB WAS INTERESTED AND SYMPATHETIC TO 6 THAT, HOWEVER, AS YOU MAY HAVE GATHERED FROM 7 HIS TALK YESTERDAY, THERE IS AS YET NO 8 COMMITMENT THAT CONGRESS OR, IN SPECIFIC, THE 9 SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE PUSHING 10 HARD ON GETTING FUNDING FOR SAMI LINED UP. WE 11 NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT ROUTE. 12 AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST TWO THINGS THAT 13 NEED TO BE DONE AT THIS POINT, OR THREE THINGS. 14 FIRST, BOB KERR AND I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK 15 WITH ROB HOOD AND TRY TO GET THE ATTENTION AND 16 SUPPORT OF SPEAKER GINGRICH ON THIS PARTICULAR 17 NEED. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I WOULD 18 RECOMMEND THAT EACH MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING 19 BODY TAKE THE LETTER THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER 20 FOR US, AND ALL OF YOU GOT A COPY OF THIS IN A 21 MAY 24TH, 1995, MEMORANDUM FROM LUCY CABOT- 22 SMETHURST WHICH SENT TO US A BOILER PLATE 23 LETTER THAT COULD BE SENT TO THE CONGRESSIONAL 24 DELEGATIONS OF EACH STATE. AND I WOULD 25 RECOMMEND THAT ALL OF US SEND THAT LETTER TO SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 56 1 OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATIONS. IF YOU NEED TO 2 CHECK WITH YOUR GOVERNORS ON THAT, PLEASE DO 3 SO. YOUR GOVERNORS MAY PREFER TO SIGN IT 4 THEMSELVES, BUT I DO RECOMMEND THAT EACH OF US 5 MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING THE ATTENTION OF OUR 6 CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATIONS TO THIS PARTICULAR 7 ISSUE. 8 AND THE THIRD THING IS THAT AS ROB HOOD 9 SAID YESTERDAY, FUNDING IS GOING TO BE SCARCE. 10 CONGRESS IS TRYING REAL HARD TO BALANCE A 11 BUDGET AND THEY'VE GOT A MAJOR TASK AHEAD OF 12 THEM OR A DIFFICULT TASK TO DO THAT, AND WE 13 HAVE NO ASSURANCE THAT SAMI IS GOING TO GET 14 ANOTHER 5.1 MILLION DOLLARS, OR I GUESS WHAT WE 15 NEED IS 4.2 OR 4.3 OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF 16 YEARS, AND NO ASSURANCE THAT WE WILL GET THAT 17 FROM CONGRESS. WE WILL CERTAINLY TRY. WE NEED 18 TO TRY. BUT I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO MOVE ON 19 A PARALLEL TRACK ALSO ASSUMING WORSE CASE, AND 20 THAT IS THAT CONGRESS WILL GIVE US NOTHING 21 MORE. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CONSTITUTE, 22 PERHAPS, A LARGER FUNDING COMMITTEE AND GET 23 MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE WORKING ON SEEKING 24 PRIVATE SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR SAMI. I, IN 25 PARTICULAR, WILL BEGIN DOING THAT MYSELF. I SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 57 1 WANT TO ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO SO WHETHER 2 YOU'RE ON THE FUNDING COMMITTEE OR NOT. IF YOU 3 ARE AWARE OF PRIVATE SOURCES THAT MAY BE 4 AVAILABLE, PLEASE PURSUE THEM. 5 I WILL SAY THAT ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC 6 INTEREST GROUPS, THERE WAS CONCERN THAT SAMI 7 MAY BE GOING AFTER FUNDING FOR SAMI FROM 8 FOUNDATIONS OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT 9 BE COMPETING WITH FUNDING FOR THE PUBLIC 10 INTEREST GROUPS. AND PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS 11 EXPRESSED THAT THEY AT LEAST BE CONSULTED AND 12 COORDINATED WITH IF WE'RE SEEKING FOUNDATION 13 FUNDING FROM AREAS WHERE THEY NORMALLY SEEK 14 FOUNDATION FUNDING, TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE 15 THOSE AREAS ARE. SEEKING FOUNDATION FUNDING IS 16 SOMETHING I'VE DONE VERY LITTLE OF IN MY LIFE, 17 AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ASKS WHO FOR WHAT. SO I 18 WOULD ASK THAT IF THE PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS 19 WANT US TO DO THIS KIND OF COMMUNICATION, THAT 20 WE KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT THE SOURCES ARE THAT 21 THEY MAY NORMALLY SEEK FUNDING FROM SO THAT 22 WE'LL KNOW WHETHER WE'RE IN THE LIKELIHOOD OF 23 GETTING INTO COMPETITION WITH THEM IF WE'RE 24 SEEKING FUNDING FOR SAMI. 25 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 58 1 MR. CHAIRMAN? 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 YES, SIR? 4 M_R_.__H_O_P_K_I_N_S_:_ 5 I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS, AND I DO 6 NOT THINK THAT AS WE GO ABOUT TRYING TO FIND 7 FUNDS FOR SAMI THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED 8 ABOUT COMPETING WITH ANYONE FOR FUNDS. 9 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 10 I UNDERSTAND THAT AND PERSONALLY AGREE THAT WE 11 SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT COMPETING FOR 12 FUNDS. I THINK THE MISSION OF SAMI IS 13 IMPORTANT AND I INTEND TO SEEK FUNDS WHEREVER 14 IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S REASONABLE POTENTIAL FOR 15 GETTING THEM. I WILL PROVIDE SOME 16 COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS 17 PERSONALLY ON ANYTHING THAT I'M SEEKING. I DO 18 AGREE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS PROJECT 19 COMPLETED, WE'VE GOT TO GET IT FUNDED, WE NEED 20 TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, AND THAT IS MY 21 HIGHEST PRIORITY AS CHAIRMAN OF THE FUNDING 22 COMMITTEE. BUT I WILL PROVIDE THE 23 COMMUNICATION, AT LEAST ON ANYTHING THAT I'M 24 SEEKING AS THESE FOLKS HAVE REQUESTED. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 59 1 I WOULD JUST ADD ON THAT POINT THAT I THINK THE 2 POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT, HAVING SPENT SOME TIME 3 IN THE NONPROFIT SECTOR, I UNDERSTAND THE 4 CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUOUSNESS OF 5 SUPPORT FOR SOME ORGANIZATIONS AND EFFORTS. 6 BUT I DO THINK THE POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT IS 7 VERY SLIM EITHER BECAUSE WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT 8 FUNDERS WHO ARE NOT OTHERWISE FUNDING SAMI 9 PARTICIPANTS OR WHO WOULD BE QUITE HAPPY TO 10 FUND BOTH. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR 11 HAROLD? 12 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ 13 HAVING SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS IN THE PURSUIT 14 OF FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE, IF YOU WILL, THE WORTH 15 OF A CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION, I THINK IT'S 16 VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE 17 ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO BE AT THE TABLE. IN 18 ORDER TO BE AT THE TABLE, IN ORDER TO BE AT THE 19 TABLE AS FULL SPOKESMAN, THEY MUST HAVE 20 FUNDING. THEY MUST HAVE THE RESOURCES. AND I 21 THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO 22 DELIBERATELY DISREGARD THOSE CONCERNS. AND I 23 THINK IT CAN BE HANDLED VERY WELL SIMPLY BY 24 HAVING THE CORRECT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE 25 FUNDER, THE FOUNDATION, AND OUR INTENTS AND THE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 60 1 NEEDS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. OVER THE YEARS, IT 2 HAPPENED OCCASIONALLY WHERE SPECIAL PROJECTS OR 3 OTHER KINDS OF ACTIVITIES SET UP AN APPARENT OR 4 POTENTIAL CONFLICT IN TERMS OF THE FOUNDATION 5 HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION. IT WAS A VERY 6 SIMPLE MATTER TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE 7 FOUNDATION DIRECTOR OR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR 8 WHOEVER THE CORRECT PERSON WAS AND INSURE THAT 9 WHAT WE WERE AFTER WAS NOT TO USURP OR REPLACE 10 SOMEONE ELSE'S FUNDING. I THINK AT THE VERY 11 MINIMUM WE COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE THAT TYPE 12 OF CONVERSATION. 13 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 14 WELL, I JUST APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AND I 15 WOULD REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER. AND I'M 16 NOT ANXIOUS TO HAVE A PROTRACTED DISCUSSION ON 17 THIS POINT TODAY, BUT I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF 18 TIME AS BOB HAS WITH FOUNDATION FUNDERS AND 19 IT'S CLOSE TO INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT A FUNDER 20 THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN SAMI IS GOING TO SAY, 21 "I'M GOING TO CUT MY FUNDING OR DENY A REQUEST 22 FROM THIS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION PARTICIPANT SO 23 I CAN DIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO THE ORGANIZATION AS 24 A WHOLE." I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO 25 HAPPEN. BRIAN? SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 61 1 M_R_.__M_O_R_T_O_N_:_ 2 THIS IS BRIAN MORTON FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL 3 DEFENSE FUND. WE DO TAKE THIS ISSUE VERY 4 SERIOUSLY. THE LACK OF COMPETITION WHICH HAS 5 BEEN ASSERTED SHOULD NOT BE ASSUMED TO EXIST, 6 AND I WOULD APPRECIATE -- WE WOULD GREATLY 7 APPRECIATE THE COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION 8 THAT YOU AND HAROLD REHEIS HAVE ENDORSED. AND 9 I JUST WANT TO STRESS AGAIN THAT THIS IS A VERY 10 IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE NOT FOR PROFIT 11 COMMUNITY. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS 14 ITEM -- I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ECHO HAROLD'S 15 REQUEST, PARTICULARLY THE CONTACTS TO THE 16 CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATIONS. WE ALL UNDERSTAND 17 THAT THE FEDERAL BUDGET IS BEING CUT 18 SIGNIFICANTLY. I, FOR ONE, SUPPORT A MAJOR 19 EFFORT TO BEING THE FEDERAL BUDGET INTO 20 BALANCE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S GOING TO 21 BE NO NEW PROGRAMS OR NO NEW EXPENDITURES IN 22 THE FEDERAL BUDGET. AND IN THE CONTEXT OF A 23 TRILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS 24 OVER TWO YEARS FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT 25 ENTERPRISE IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S NOT AN SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 62 1 UNREASONABLE THING TO REQUEST. AND IT WOULD BE 2 MONEY THAT WOULD BE VERY WELL SPENT IN TERMS OF 3 THE -- BOTH THE BENEFIT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND 4 THE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS THAT WOULD COME 5 ABOUT FROM APPROACHING THESE ISSUES IN AN 6 ECONOMICALLY SOUND WAY. SO THAT'S MY PITCH ON 7 THAT SUBJECT. WE'LL GET TO WORK ON OUR 8 LETTERS, HAROLD. WE HAVE -- THE NEXT AGENDA 9 ITEM IS WE HAVE FOR OUR APPROVAL AT THIS TIME 10 ONE FACT SHEET FROM THE PUBLIC ADVISORY 11 COMMITTEE ON CITIZEN PARTICIPATION? 12 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 13 YES. 14 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 15 LUCY, COULD I CALL ON YOU AT THIS TIME? 16 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 17 WELL, I THINK I'VE SAID WHAT NEEDED TO BE SAID, 18 AND --- 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 EXCUSE ME, DO WE HAVE -- LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE 21 COPIES OF WHAT'S BEFORE US? 22 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 23 IT SHOULD BE IN EVERYONE'S BLACK FOLDER. 24 EVERYBODY HAS THE FACT SHEET. 25 C_H_A_I_R_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 63 1 I'M SORRY, IN THE MAIN MEETING FOLDER? 2 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 3 YES. 4 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 5 IN MY FOLDER, IT'S THE SECOND DOCUMENT ON THE 6 RIGHT SIDE. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S -- ALL RIGHT, 7 LUCY? 8 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 9 I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST SEARCHING FOR MY FACT 10 SHEET, BUT I'LL WING IT. BASICALLY, I JUST 11 WANTED TO REMIND YOU, THE TYPOS WILL BE FIXED, 12 THE MISSION STATEMENT ON THE LEFT IS GOING TO 13 GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, AND IT HAS 14 BEEN TOTALLY PEER REVIEWED. 15 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 16 WE HAD A COUPLE OF VERY MINOR COMMENTS IN THE 17 GOVERNING BODY CAUCUS YESTERDAY. I DON'T KNOW 18 IF THEY'VE BEEN PASSED ON TO YOU. ONE WAS THAT 19 THE DESCRIPTION OF THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT 20 COMMITTEE AS SIMPLY PROVIDING TECHNICAL SUPPORT 21 TO OTHER COMMITTEES DIDN'T SEEM TO DO THAT 22 COMMITTEE'S WORK JUSTICE. AND I ASSUMED WE HAD 23 A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT 24 COMMITTEE THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED. 25 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 64 1 THAT'S FINE IF --- 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 WAS THAT NOT PASSED ON TO THE --- 4 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 5 NO. WELL, JUST NOW. JUST NOW. YES. BUT 6 THAT'S FINE. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 I MEAN I DON'T CARE WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, BUT - 9 - 10 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 11 RIGHT. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 -- THIS IS A GROUP OF DISTINGUISHED SCIENTISTS 14 WORKING ON VERY COMPLEX ISSUES AND I DON'T 15 THINK THAT REALLY DOES THEIR WORK JUSTICE. 16 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 17 WELL, I'LL ASK DOUG AND HIS COMMITTEE TO 18 PROVIDE US GOOD LANGUAGE. 19 M_R_.__N_E_E_L_E_Y_:_ 20 SURE. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 THE OTHER ITEM -- I'M NOT SURE WE DISCUSSED IT 23 YESTERDAY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT HAROLD'S NOTES 24 AND HE MADE THE SAME NOTE THAT I MADE 25 INDEPENDENTLY. UNDER HOW YOU CAN MAKE A SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 65 1 DIFFERENCE, YOU HAVE THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO 2 IMPACT PUBLIC POLICY, HE HAS THE SUGGESTION OF 3 PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC POLICY DEVELOPMENT. I 4 GUESS PARTLY SUBSTANTIVE, PARTLY OUT OF THE 5 DESIRE TO AVOID USING IMPACT AS A VERB. 6 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 7 CORRECT. 8 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 9 SOME OF US STILL HAVE A BIAS ON THAT SUBJECT. 10 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 11 HAROLD CAN TELL ME -- OKAY. YEAH. YOU CAN 12 GIVE ME THE LANGUAGE LATER, HAROLD. I DIDN'T 13 TOTALLY FOLLOW THAT, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 14 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 15 IN THE FIRST LINE UNDER HOW YOU CAN MAKE A 16 DIFFERENCE -- 17 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 18 YES. 19 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 20 -- SUBSTITUTE THE WORDS PARTICIPATE IN FOR THE 21 WORD IMPACT. 22 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 23 VERY GOOD. GOT IT. THANK YOU. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 I GUESS A MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER TO APPROVE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 66 1 THIS FACT SHEET. 2 M_S_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 3 I MOVE WE APPROVE IT WITH THE SUBSTITUTION THAT 4 I JUST SUGGESTED AND WITH SOME ALTERNATE 5 LANGUAGE GIVEN BY THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT 6 COMMITTEE TO DESCRIBE WHAT THAT COMMITTEE IS 7 AND DOES. 8 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 9 IS THERE A SECOND? 10 M_R_.__G_R_U_S_N_I_C_K_:_ 11 SECOND. 12 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 13 ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE 14 MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. 15 C_O_M_M_I_T_T_E_E_:_ 16 AYE. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 OPPOSED, NO? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY 19 MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST FACT 20 SHEET. 21 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 22 THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS THE SUBJECT UP OF THREE 23 OTHER FACT SHEETS WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO GET 24 APPROVED AND OUT ON THE STREET, AND WE'D LIKE 25 TO ASK IF THERE IS A MECHANISM THROUGH THE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 67 1 OPERATING COMMITTEE WHERE THAT COULD BE 2 HANDLED? 3 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 4 I SUPPOSE THE SUGGESTION IS THAT WE AUTHORIZE 5 THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE TO APPROVE FUTURE FACT 6 SHEETS WITHOUT REVIEW BY THE GOVERNING BODY? 7 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 8 IF THAT IS YOUR WILL WE WOULD LIKE THAT. 9 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 10 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE GROUP? 11 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 12 THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO ME. 13 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 14 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15 M_S_.__C_A_B_O_T_-_S_M_E_T_H_U_R_S_T_:_ 16 THANK YOU. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF 19 NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS. LESLIE, WOULD YOU 20 SUMMARIZE THE APPOINTMENTS FOR OUR 21 CONSIDERATION? 22 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 23 CERTAINLY. IN OUR EVER-CHANGING COMMITTEE 24 BALANCE, WE HAVE SOME NEW NOMINEES. A COUPLE 25 OF INDIVIDUALS ARE BEING NOMINATED BY ALABAMA SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 68 1 TO REPLACE PEOPLE WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY ON 2 COMMITTEES, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE NATIONAL PARK 3 SERVICE -- YES, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE 4 NOMINATING TWO INDIVIDUALS TO FILL THEIR OPEN 5 POSITIONS ON THE PUBLIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 6 I'VE GOT STATUS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LISTING 7 WHERE THE OPEN SLOTS ARE. WE HAVE FULL 8 COMMITTEES ON THE TECHNICAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE 9 AND POLICY COMMITTEE, AND WE STILL HAVE A FEW 10 OPEN POSITIONS BY SOME OF THE GOVERNING BODY 11 GROUPS. AND WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT YOU CONFIRM 12 THE MEMBERSHIP SO THAT THEY CAN FEEL OFFICIALLY 13 A PART OF SAMI. 14 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 15 I MOVE THAT THEY BE CONFIRMED. 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 SECOND? 18 M_R_.__G_R_U_S_N_I_C_K_:_ 19 SECOND. 20 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 21 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 22 C_O_M_M_I_T_T_E_E_:_ 23 AYE. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE'LL SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 69 1 LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THESE NEW MEMBERS. 2 THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS A PROPOSED CHANGE 3 IN TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT POLICY STAFF PER DIEM. 4 LESLIE, CAN I CALL ON YOU TO EXPLAIN THIS ITEM? 5 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 6 CERTAINLY. WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TO AMEND 7 THE TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT POLICY TO ALLOW US TO 8 COVER ROOM COSTS WHEN THEY EXCEED -- PREVIOUSLY 9 WE HAD FIFTY DOLLARS, AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY 10 HARD TO FIND THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO DO 11 THE MEETINGS. AND FROM TIME TO TIME THAT HAS 12 EXCEEDED THE COSTS, AND WE FELT THAT LOOKING AT 13 THE BUDGET WE CAN STAY WITHIN WHAT YOU'VE 14 ALREADY ALLOTTED AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE 15 IT A LITTLE MORE EQUITABLE. THAT'S THE FIRST 16 PART. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PART? 19 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 20 CERTAINLY. 21 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 22 IF THE IDEA IS, AS WITH THIS MEETING, IF WE 23 NEGOTIATE A SIXTY-FIVE-DOLLAR RATE, THAT WOULD 24 BE REIMBURSABLE? 25 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 70 1 YES, CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS 2 MEETING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAME. 3 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 4 ALL RIGHT. 5 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 6 AND FOR THE SECOND PART, NOW REBECCA IS ON AN 7 INTERAGENCY PERSONNEL ASSIGNMENT TO SAMI, AND 8 ONE THING WE DID NOT DO IS THAT SINCE SAMI 9 ISN'T SET UP WITH A CHECKING ACCOUNT IS TO 10 FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE STAFF. 11 AND I'VE TALKED WITH ALAN KLIMEK ABOUT IT AND 12 WHAT WE WANTED TO SUGGEST, IF THE GOVERNING 13 BODY WERE AGREEABLE, IS THAT WORK WITH HIM -- 14 THE STAFF WOULD WORK WITH HIM TO SET UP A RATE 15 THAT WAS COMPARABLE TO WHAT EPA ALLOWS AND WHAT 16 THE STATE ALLOWS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANY 17 MORE, BUT WE JUST NEED SOMETHING DOWN SO WE 18 KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRAVELING UNDER. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 THIS WOULD BE TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT PROTOCOLS 21 FOR THE SAMI STAFF? 22 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 23 YES. YES. IF THEY ARE BEING PAID DIRECTLY BY 24 SAMI. CURRENTLY ANGELA AND I TRAVEL UNDER THE 25 STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, SO WE FOLLOW THOSE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 71 1 PROCEDURES, BUT SAMI HAS NO SET PROCEDURES AND 2 WE JUST WANTED TO ESTABLISH THAT. WE'VE 3 ALREADY APPROVED THE TRAVEL BUDGETS, SO THAT 4 DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. IT'S JUST AS FAR AS THE 5 RATES AND MAKING SURE WE CAN GET TO MEETINGS 6 AND ALL. CAN WE WORK THAT OUT WITH ALAN? 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 ON THAT ITEM YOU'D LIKE THE OPERATIONS 9 COMMITTEE TO -- IS YOUR REQUEST THAT WE 10 AUTHORIZE THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE TO ESTABLISH 11 TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT PROCEDURES FOR SAMI STAFF? 12 M_S_.__C_O_X_:_ 13 YES. THAT WOULD BE FINE. WE JUST NEED 14 SOMETHING TO GO BY. 15 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 16 SO MOVE. 17 M_R_.__W_A_L_T_O_N_:_ 18 SECOND. 19 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 20 ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY 21 AYE. 22 C_O_M_M_I_T_T_E_E_:_ 23 AYE. 24 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 25 OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 72 1 ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ONE THAT'S CARRIED OVER 2 FROM OUR DISCUSSION IN APRIL CONCERNING SAMI 3 STRUCTURE, AND AN ISSUE HAD BEEN RAISED 4 CONCERNING THE NEED FOR INVOLVEMENT OF SOME 5 GROUPS THAT MIGHT NOT BE FORMALLY REPRESENTED 6 IN THE GOVERNING BODY STRUCTURE. THIS IS AN 7 ISSUE THAT JOE HARWOOD HAD RAISED. THE 8 RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE IN APRIL THAT'S BEEN 9 FURTHER DISCUSSED BY THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE 10 WAS THAT IT WAS OUR VIEW THAT IT WAS NOT 11 NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE TO REOPEN THE 12 ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AT THIS TIME. BUT WE 13 DID WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT IF THERE ARE 14 CONSTITUENCIES SUCH AS DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE 15 OR CERTAIN INDUSTRY SECTORS THAT ARE NOT 16 FORMALLY REPRESENTED, BUT WHO HAVE AN INTEREST 17 IN MATTERS THAT COME UNDER OUR CONSIDERATION, 18 THAT WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO INVOLVE THEM IN 19 OUR DELIBERATIONS. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE 20 RESOLUTION, JOE. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY 21 ABOUT THE ISSUE AT THIS TIME? 22 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 23 ONLY TO SAY THAT WE ARE MAKING SOME CONTACT 24 WITH VARIOUS AGENCIES AND WRITING LETTERS TO 25 VARIOUS FOLKS AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ONES ARE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 73 1 THE ONES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DEAL WITH THISE 2 FOLKS AND I GUESS WE OUGHT TO BE JUST COGNIZANT 3 OF THE FACT THAT AT SOME POINT IT CAN REALLY 4 BECOME A MAJOR PLAYER. IT MIGHT BE AN 5 OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEM A PART OF THE PROCESS. 6 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 7 GOOD. UNDER THE CATEGORY OF NEW BUSINESS, IN 8 OUR DISCUSSIONS YESTERDAY THE GOVERNING BODY 9 HAS IDENTIFIED TWO DATES FOR FUTURE MEETINGS 10 THAT WE'D LIKE PEOPLE TO PUT ON THEIR 11 CALENDARS. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD SEPTEMBER 26TH 12 FOR AN INTERIM MEETING IN ATLANTA IF THAT IS 13 NECESSARY. WE'LL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO AVOID A 14 MEETING IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND THEN -- 15 THAT WOULD BE A GOVERNING BODY MEETING 16 SEPTEMBER 26TH IN ATLANTA IF NEEDED. THE NEXT 17 SEMIANNUAL MEETING IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR 18 NOVEMBER 29TH TO DECEMBER FIRST -- I BELIEVE 19 THAT'S A WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY -- IN 20 ALABAMA, CITY TO BE DETERMINED. AND WE'RE VERY 21 GRATEFUL FOR RICHARD'S WILLINGNESS TO HOST US 22 LATER THIS FALL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING 23 YOU. LESLIE, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED 24 TO SAY ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ACCOUNTING OR HAS 25 THAT ISSUE BEEN RESOLVED? SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 74 1 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 2 ALL RIGHT. OTHER ITEMS OF NEW BUSINESS? 3 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 4 YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO OBSERVE THAT WE WERE 5 ABLE TO GET BUSINESS DONE DURING THIS MEETING 6 AND WITHOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WEARING NECKTIES 7 AND COATS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT 8 THAT BE OUR -- CONSIDERED STRONGLY BY EVERYBODY 9 IN THE FUTURE. WE'VE PROBABLY, OVER THE LAST 10 TWO YEARS, ALL PROVED TO EACH OTHER THAT WE OWN 11 BUSINESS SUITS AND SO ON, AND I THINK WE CAN 12 PROBABLY CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF SAMI MAYBE 13 EVEN MORE EFFECTIVELY IF WE DRESSED IN A CASUAL 14 MODE AT THESE MEETINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO 15 RECOMMEND THAT WE ALL DO THAT, EVEN THE 16 CHAIRMAN, HENCEFORTH. AND EVEN LEVIS ARE OKAY. 17 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 18 WELL, WE HAVE INSTITUTED CASUAL DAY IN OUR 19 DEPARTMENT ON FRIDAYS. I WEAR BOW TIES ON A 20 CASUAL DAY. BUT I HAVE ENOUGH POLITICAL 21 SENSITIVITY TO KNOW WHEN A MUTINY IS AFOOT, AND 22 YOU'LL SEE THAT I DID DRESS DOWN THIS MORNING 23 ANTICIPATING THIS DEVELOPMENT. 24 M_R_.__R_E_H_E_I_S_:_ 25 WHERE IS YOUR BOW TIE? YOU'VE REALLY GONE SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 75 1 CRAZY WITH IT. 2 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 3 AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO INVITE OTHER SAMI 4 PARTICIPANTS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, 5 COMMENTS, OR MATTERS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE 6 WITH THE GOVERNING BODY, WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES. 7 BOB? 8 M_R_.__K_E_R_R_:_ 9 IT WON'T BE, I DON'T THINK, ANY REQUIRING 10 CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO 11 MAKE A REQUEST; THAT THE GOVERNING BODY OR 12 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF 13 MEETINGS, CALLED MEETINGS AND SO FORTH, THAT 14 CONFLICT WITH THE SCHEDULED MEETINGS. THANK 15 YOU. 16 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 17 YES? 18 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 19 MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR PERSONAL FOOTAGE, THE REASON 20 FOR THIS TIE IS I'M ON MY WAY TO A WEDDING. 21 TRUST ME, I DIDN'T WEAR THIS TIE FOR Y'ALL. I 22 WOULD LIKE TO --- 23 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 24 WE'RE FULLY ACQUAINTED WITH YOUR CASUAL 25 WARDROBE. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 76 1 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 2 SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT -- I GUESS 3 IT'S OFFICIAL -- MY SEAT MATE HERE IS NOT GOING 4 TO BE WITH US AT FUTURE MEETINGS BECAUSE OF HER 5 INVOLVEMENT WITH A NEW LIFE AND NEW 6 OPPORTUNITY, BUT EILEEN IS LEAVING THE 7 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. I THINK THAT 8 IS TRUE, ISN'T IT? IT WAS TOLD ME. 9 M_S_.__G_L_E_N_:_ 10 THAT IS CORRECT. 11 M_R_.__H_A_R_W_O_O_D_:_ 12 HE DIDN'T TELL ME I COULDN'T TELL IT. BUT I 13 WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY WISH HER WELL AND I 14 KNOW THE GOVERNING BODY WILL JOIN ME IN THAT 15 EFFORT, AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A ROUND OF 16 APPLAUSE FOR ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE. 17 (APPLAUSE) 18 M_S_.__G_L_E_N_:_ 19 THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I'LL MISS EPA, I'LL 20 MISS THIS GROUP, BUT I MUST ADMIT I AM LOOKING 21 FORWARD TO A NEW LIFE, PHASE THREE. 22 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 23 WELL, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SIGNING YOU ON TO 24 THE PUBLIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO MAKE THIS 25 TRANSITION. SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 77 1 M_S_.__G_L_E_N_:_ 2 I ALWAYS SAID I'D LOVE TO DO THAT EXCEPT I'M IN 3 PENNSYLVANIA AND I'M NOT SURE HOW I'D JUSTIFY 4 PENNSYLVANIA CONVERSATION ACTIVITY IN THE 5 SOUTHERN APPALACHIANS, BUT I'M WILLING TO GIVE 6 IT A SHOT. 7 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 8 DAVID? 9 M_R_.__C_A_R_R_:_ 10 STEVE, I'D LIKE TO THANK JIM JOY FOR HOSTING 11 THIS MEETING. THIS IS A WONDERFUL FACILITY AND 12 JUST THANK THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA FOR 13 HAVING US HERE. 14 (APPLAUSE) 15 M_R_.__J_O_Y_:_ 16 YOU ALL ARE ALL WELCOME AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE 17 YOU BACK. 18 C_H_A_I_R_:_ 19 THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION 20 IN THIS SPRING MEETING. I THINK IT'S BEEN 21 EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO 22 BE WITH YOU ALL. I HAVE TWO CLOSING 23 ANNOUNCEMENTS. DON'T FORGET TO LEAVE YOUR NAME 24 TAGS OUT FRONT, AND LESLIE SAYS PLEASE, PLEASE 25 FILL OUT THE QUESTIONNAIRE SO THAT SHE CAN SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 78 1 CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THESE 2 MEETINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. 3 HAVE GOOD TRIPS HOME, HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND. 4 SO ENDETH. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 79 1 STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA ) 2 ) C E R T I F I C A T E 3 COUNTY OF GREENVILLE ) 4 I, SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM, A NOTARY 5 PUBLIC FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA-AT-LARGE, DO 6 HEREBY CERTIFY: 7 THAT ON THE 10TH DAY OF JUNE, 1995, THE FOURTH 8 SEMI-ANNUAL SAMI MEETING WAS HELD WITH STEVEN J. 9 LEVITAS AS THE CHAIRMAN AT THE FOREGOING PLACE FOR 10 THE SOUTHERN APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS INITIATIVE. 11 COMMENCING AT THE HOUR OF 10:30 O'CLOCK A.M. 12 THAT THE APPEARANCES WERE AS STATED PREVIOUSLY; 13 THAT THE SPEAKERS WERE NOT SWORN; THAT THE 14 FOREGOING PROCEEDINGS WERE TAKEN BY ME VIA STENOMASK 15 AND THEREAFTER REDUCED TO TYPEWRITING UNDER MY 16 SUPERVISION AND THE SEVENTY-EIGHT (78) PAGES 17 CONSTITUTE A FULL, TRUE AND EXACT TRANSCRIPTION OF 18 THE PROCEEDINGS, 19 THAT I AM NOT OF KIN OR IN ANY WAY ASSOCIATED 20 WITH ANY OF THE PARTIES TO SAID CAUSE, OR COUNSEL, 21 AND THAT I AM NOT INTERESTED IN EVENT THEREOF. 22 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I HAVE HEREUNTO SET MY HAND 23 AND SEAL THIS 30TH DAY OF JUNE, 1995. 24 25 26 ________________________________ 27 SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM 28 NOTARY PUBLIC FOR THE SOUTH CAROLINA 29 COMMISSION EXPIRATION: 7/12/95 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 SANDRA S. WILLIAMS, CCR-CVR-CM